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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 4:51 am    Post subject: Walk away or buy the bay? Reply with quote

Friends, Im looking at buying a 1976 camper. Pretty decent shape, but notice the engine seal is missing. Reading about engine seals in The Samba one person said if an engine seal is missing to walk away. I know the engine seal is vitally important, but do you think missing one is a deal breaker? Thank you
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 4:57 am    Post subject: Re: Walk away or buy the bay? Reply with quote

you mean engine seal to close the gap between engine and body ?
Never heard such wisdom before Smile
important but no dealbreaker...
if they say it is a 100 point perfect restoration and costs $$$ then I would look closer what else is missing. But a normal bus ?
I would check other things first before worrying about that
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 5:16 am    Post subject: Re: Walk away or buy the bay? Reply with quote

How much is the bus?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 6:18 am    Post subject: Re: Walk away or buy the bay? Reply with quote

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Friends, Im looking at buying a 1976 camper. Pretty decent shape, but notice the engine seal is missing. Reading about engine seals in The Samba one person said if an engine seal is missing to walk away. I know the engine seal is vitally important, but do you think missing one is a deal breaker? Thank you


Walk away.....maybe not. It needs the quiet and calm questioning to the seller. Like.....

"Well overall it looks OK....it needs a new X and maybe a little better Y....but not bad.... and....isn't there supposed to be something filling this gap here?"

If the engine compartment is clean....meaning normal clean and not recently gone over with purple power and rags....and the sellers answer is similar to ...." it's normally there, but it was getting crusty and crumbling over the exhaust so I pulled the whole thing out a month ago and just have not had time to get a new one".....then it's fine.

If the inside of the engine bay is filthy with dust everywhere.....and the seal is missing....I would pull a valve cover and look for the black/dark brown baked on oil from running hot and no oil changes and check inside the air cleaner for piles of grit on the outside. Get a compression test if you can. And still it begs the question of how much as richparker said.

If you get an answer like....."never had a seal there and never made any difference. Been driving it for years without one"..... Laughing look over everything in the bus....not just the engine. Ray
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 7:38 am    Post subject: Re: Walk away or buy the bay? Reply with quote

how long has the person selling it owned it. Someone flipping a bus is less likely to tell you all about it and what they hid than someone who is selling it for a family member's estate. Ask for receipts on the work done. Ask for before and after photos. A missing seal could be because it rotted away and is deferred maintenance, or it could be a sign a flipper knows little about a bay, and they were cutting corners. I WOULD be concerned to know the engine and shroud serial number, if it matches for that year bus. I WOULD be concerned to know if the induction system is correct or it is whatever works minimally - e.g., someone ripped FI off and stuck a single carb on it etc..
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 9:39 am    Post subject: Re: Walk away or buy the bay? Reply with quote

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Lousy pic but thats what I got.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 10:01 am    Post subject: Re: Walk away or buy the bay? Reply with quote

ok, only 1 picture is showing, the enginebay. It does not looks very well maintained in there, and the original setup is swapped for a middlemounted carb.
I would say...it comes down on price and if you look for a projectcar or a driver.....
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 10:37 am    Post subject: Re: Walk away or buy the bay? Reply with quote

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Thats a ridiculous comment - get a good presale inspection done by a qualified person if you want to play in Bay. I say this lovingly, but if you are guided by a comment like that, you arent ready to play by yourself yet.

That engine with the single carb is not promising.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2025 5:28 am    Post subject: Re: Walk away or buy the bay? Reply with quote

So I'm putting a pause on this one at least until I get some additional info on it as was suggested. Thank you, friends, for your helpful and instructional responses. Enjoy the hunt.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2025 8:03 am    Post subject: Re: Walk away or buy the bay? Reply with quote

Does the engine start easily? Does it idle steady? How does it sound? How does it drive? Brake? Dows it shift easily? How is the steering? Do the gauges work?

Are you looking for a bus that's ready to roll or do you mind making repairs? Or are you looking for a project? These questions and a few more you need to get answers to before you can really make a decision.

Take a look at the title. Is it in the sellers name? When was it issued?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2025 11:26 am    Post subject: Re: Walk away or buy the bay? Reply with quote

The one question that doesnโ€™t seem to be answered is, โ€œhow much?โ€.


If it was a solid bus that was $1,500 with that engine bay, then yes, get it.


If it was rotted out & was priced at $15,000 or more, then hell no.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2025 11:31 am    Post subject: Re: Walk away or buy the bay? Reply with quote

$9,000. Typical rust spots - nothing too crazy. Mileage unknown. video shows the motor idling smoothly.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2025 11:42 am    Post subject: Re: Walk away or buy the bay? Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2025 11:53 am    Post subject: Re: Walk away or buy the bay? Reply with quote

not for my nine grand.
are you willing to spend 2-3 times that on rust repair alone?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2025 11:54 am    Post subject: Re: Walk away or buy the bay? Reply with quote

Its a big NO to that rust repair $$$!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2025 12:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Walk away or buy the bay? Reply with quote

Isnโ€™t that a 1978 VIN?

What does title say?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2025 12:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Walk away or buy the bay? Reply with quote

I think a missing seal is the least of your worries there.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2025 1:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Walk away or buy the bay? Reply with quote

run unless you own a body shop. That assumes that the suspension torsion tubes are good, if not then it is a write off because it will cost more to repair the rusted areas than it is worth.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2025 2:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Walk away or buy the bay? Reply with quote

I bought my most recent bay for 4k. Shipped it for another grand. It was a total absolute disasterโ€ฆ but it was ALL there. Iโ€™ve touched everything on it. New motor, etc. had to rebuild the poptop completely, new frame/fiberglass etc. new tires, all the brakes including master cylinder. I did window rubber on every window. All door seals too.

Itโ€™s currently my daily and it runs like a top. I did everything myself and I like doing it!

It needs rust repair on the rocker panels and lower dog legs but itโ€™s solid otherwise from the absolute crap bodywork someone did.

9 grand is steep depending on rust repair in my opinion.

Can we get more photos?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2025 4:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Walk away or buy the bay? Reply with quote

a missing engine seal would not be my #1 concern here
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