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Mike_USC_65  Samba Member
Joined: July 18, 2017 Posts: 9 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2025 12:49 pm Post subject: Wires on signal lever 65 sedan |
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I have just installer a new harness from Wolfsburg West and am confused about the turn signal wiring. I have two wires coming from the lever that don’t appear on the wiring diagram.
My turn signals otherwise are wired as per the diagram
Seemes Im missung something obvious |
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my3bugs Samba Member
Joined: June 18, 2003 Posts: 905 Location: Moreno Valley
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Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2025 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: Wires on signal lever 65 sedan |
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just my guess , i duno but there were some after market turn signal/semaphore switches that light up on the end of the lever so you KNOW your semaphore are UP ...... it looks like someone added the wires up the arm but your not showing the end ? what is there ??? is there a light or switch there ?
the bottom of yours look to have been made for wires ??
OK this looks like what you have , high beam low beam switch for 2 years only , something like that .
MAYBE someone put a year later switch in your bug so that doesnt show in your schematic pic as original ? something like that .
https://www.ebay.com/itm/384510297457?_trkparms=am...QCMFFX07C7 |
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Mike_USC_65  Samba Member
Joined: July 18, 2017 Posts: 9 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2025 2:20 pm Post subject: Re: Wires on signal lever 65 sedan |
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my3bugs wrote: |
just my guess , i duno but there were some after market turn signal/semaphore switches that light up on the end of the lever so you KNOW your semaphore are UP ...... it looks like someone added the wires up the arm but your not showing the end ? what is there ??? is there a light or switch there ?
the bottom of yours look to have been made for wires ??
OK this looks like what you have , high beam low beam switch for 2 years only , something like that .
MAYBE someone put a year later switch in your bug so that doesnt show in your schematic pic as original ? something like that .
https://www.ebay.com/itm/384510297457?_trkparms=am...QCMFFX07C7 |
Thanks…..no light or button but it makes sense. My high / low beam is a foot prdal button. The previous owner had done a lot of specials with the wiring |
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Cusser Samba Member

Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 33153 Location: Hot Arizona
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EVfun  Samba Member

Joined: April 01, 2012 Posts: 6201 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2025 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: Wires on signal lever 65 sedan |
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Mike_USC_65 wrote: |
I have just installer a new harness from Wolfsburg West and am confused about the turn signal wiring. I have two wires coming from the lever that don’t appear on the wiring diagram.
My turn signals otherwise are wired as per the diagram
Seemes Im missung something obvious |
The wires don't belong on a normal US spec '65, but were likely an option for a '65. It looks like the wires for a dimmer switch that mounted to the back of the turn signal lever. Well, that switch was just a set of contacts to control the ground signal for a high/low dimmer relay.
Starting in '66 the use of a dimmer relay and those contacts became standard on US spec Bugs. From '65 down the floor mounted dimmer switch was standard. They should be extra for your car, able to be disconnected at the other end and removed. _________________
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my3bugs Samba Member
Joined: June 18, 2003 Posts: 905 Location: Moreno Valley
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Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2025 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: Wires on signal lever 65 sedan |
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just an observation . thats quite a gap between the turn signal housing and the steering wheel . it should be a lot closer to the steering wheel . BUT it may have something to do with the mismatched switch i duno . but id loosen it up n see if you can push it forward n leave about a credit card gap there . |
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Mike_USC_65  Samba Member
Joined: July 18, 2017 Posts: 9 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2025 11:33 pm Post subject: Re: Wires on signal lever 65 sedan |
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my3bugs wrote: |
just an observation . thats quite a gap between the turn signal housing and the steering wheel . it should be a lot closer to the steering wheel . BUT it may have something to do with the mismatched switch i duno . but id loosen it up n see if you can push it forward n leave about a credit card gap there . |
Thanks for the tip! |
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runamoc  Samba Member

Joined: June 19, 2006 Posts: 6200 Location: 37.5N 77.1W
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2025 7:19 am Post subject: Re: Wires on signal lever 65 sedan |
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The color code: Solid brown is the wire connected to ground. The brown wire is the switched ground that connects to S on the headlight dimmer relay  _________________ Daily driver: '69 Baja owned 45 yrs - Plan B: '72 Ghia
Yard Art: 2 Sandrails
Outback: '69 Ghia - '68,'69,'70,'72 Beetle - '84 Scirocco, GTI - Pair of '02 Golfs- '80 Rabbit Diesel
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rcroane  Samba Member
Joined: January 03, 2013 Posts: 2018 Location: Springfield, Virginia
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2025 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: Wires on signal lever 65 sedan |
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Just an FYI, I found a kit in the Samba classifieds to convert my '65 turn signal lever to the '66 style with the high beam switch on the lever. The '65 lever is designed to accept the kit. _________________ '65 Sunroof Bug |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member

Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 26068 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2025 3:08 pm Post subject: Re: Wires on signal lever 65 sedan |
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rcroane wrote: |
Just an FYI, I found a kit in the Samba classifieds to convert my '65 turn signal lever to the '66 style with the high beam switch on the lever. The '65 lever is designed to accept the kit. |
Thru the "Technical" button up on the right of this screen you are reading from right now.
Scroll down to the "Technical Bulletins", left click on that.
Go into the "Series (section) E", then scroll down to #16.
Lots of other super cool VW stuff there, dig around and have fun!! _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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rcroane  Samba Member
Joined: January 03, 2013 Posts: 2018 Location: Springfield, Virginia
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2025 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: Wires on signal lever 65 sedan |
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Eric&Barb wrote: |
rcroane wrote: |
Just an FYI, I found a kit in the Samba classifieds to convert my '65 turn signal lever to the '66 style with the high beam switch on the lever. The '65 lever is designed to accept the kit. |
Thru the "Technical" button up on the right of this screen you are reading from right now.
Scroll down to the "Technical Bulletins", left click on that.
Go into the "Series (section) E", then scroll down to #16.
Lots of other super cool VW stuff there, dig around and have fun!! |
I remember using that bulletin when I installed the kit. I also remember what a challenge it was installing those very tiny screws on the stalk without removing the lever from the steering column! And you are right...lots of other cool stuff there! _________________ '65 Sunroof Bug |
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KTPhil  Samba Member

Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 35978 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2025 8:16 am Post subject: Re: Wires on signal lever 65 sedan |
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I made that change on my '65. I much prefer the lever switch to the foot switch. You can sire the relay to give you a "flash to pass" function, too.
Then you can repurpose the foot switch to act as an ignition kill switch. Hidden in plain sight! A decent theft-delayer. _________________ Current Fleet:
- '71 Fastback
- '69 Westfalia
Retired:
- '67 Beetle
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rcroane  Samba Member
Joined: January 03, 2013 Posts: 2018 Location: Springfield, Virginia
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2025 8:47 am Post subject: Re: Wires on signal lever 65 sedan |
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KTPhil wrote: |
I made that change on my '65. I much prefer the lever switch to the foot switch. You can sire the relay to give you a "flash to pass" function, too.
Then you can repurpose the foot switch to act as an ignition kill switch. Hidden in plain sight! A decent theft-delayer. |
I have the flash to pass function, but I don't think I've ever passed anyone!  _________________ '65 Sunroof Bug |
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runamoc  Samba Member

Joined: June 19, 2006 Posts: 6200 Location: 37.5N 77.1W
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2025 8:54 am Post subject: Re: Wires on signal lever 65 sedan |
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I have the flash to pass function, but I don't think I've ever passed anyone |
Mostly use mine to signal 'go ahead' to other drivers. No sense having them behind me flashing their headlights to pass me.  _________________ Daily driver: '69 Baja owned 45 yrs - Plan B: '72 Ghia
Yard Art: 2 Sandrails
Outback: '69 Ghia - '68,'69,'70,'72 Beetle - '84 Scirocco, GTI - Pair of '02 Golfs- '80 Rabbit Diesel
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VOLKSWAGNUT Fastest VW Belt Changer

Joined: October 14, 2007 Posts: 11181 Location: Flippin' a Belt........ .... Off-n-On ... NC USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2025 7:00 am Post subject: Re: Wires on signal lever 65 sedan |
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1966/1967 conversion or replacement switch/lever..
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Research ..possibly added VW Option "Silent Horn" "Pass Light"
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/techbulletins/e10.php
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richparker Samba Member

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runamoc  Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2025 11:01 am Post subject: Re: Wires on signal lever 65 sedan |
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richparker wrote: |
I like the floor switch. Lots of foot work.  |
unless you're Big Foot, then you switch the headlights with every shift.  _________________ Daily driver: '69 Baja owned 45 yrs - Plan B: '72 Ghia
Yard Art: 2 Sandrails
Outback: '69 Ghia - '68,'69,'70,'72 Beetle - '84 Scirocco, GTI - Pair of '02 Golfs- '80 Rabbit Diesel
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