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DanGreen Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2003 Posts: 182 Location: Goleta
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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pushstarts everytime!
desertbob: no, guess not......
oh btw, It's a brand new wire....... most wire's I have were replaced recently. |
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hotratz Samba Member

Joined: November 13, 2005 Posts: 382 Location: North Bend, Wa.
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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Time to try jumping around the switch then to see if that's the problem. If it still doesn't pull the solenoid in then keep working back toward the source with the jumper wire. Eventually you'll have jumped around the bad part of the circuit and the starter will spin.
Oh yeah, Make damn sure you have good ground at the starter or all this other stuff is in vain. _________________ My Albums
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DanGreen Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2003 Posts: 182 Location: Goleta
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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I just bought a "digital multimeter"
I'm not sure how to use one of these.....I read the directions but I don't understand them. I'm guessing the power in a vw will be DC and to check the battery I should set it to 20 DCV ??? and leave that setting to check everything else??
ok, I figured it out......... |
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DanGreen Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2003 Posts: 182 Location: Goleta
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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my battery is at 12.6Volts
when I turn the key to speedo lights, power starts to drain at .01volt increments per sec then slows to every two seconds then 4 seconds until it got to 12.3volts and then I turned the key all the way to ignition and it drained down to 11.4 volts.
I hooked the multimeter to the battery terminals. |
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greatlord Samba Member

Joined: August 16, 2004 Posts: 212 Location: southeast CT
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| sounds more and more like a bum starter solenoid if your starter motor were getting fed it'd drop to about 10 volts got a known good starter? |
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hotratz Samba Member

Joined: November 13, 2005 Posts: 382 Location: North Bend, Wa.
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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His solenoid and starter are good, He made them spin by shorting at the starter.
Dan, Screw the voltmeter. if you don't know what to expect to see it'll only confuse you. Get the jumper wire like I suggested and start jumping around components until you get the soleniod to pull in again. What ever component you jumped around to get it to spin is the part of the circuit you need to replace. _________________ My Albums
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papertiger_98 Confused Bugger

Joined: November 01, 2004 Posts: 335 Location: prescott az
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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since you have multimeter check the ignition switch before climbing under the car to check the starter selenoid. then if not that then to the starter _________________ "In wine, there is truth.
In beer, there is strength.
In water, there is bacteria "
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DanGreen Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2003 Posts: 182 Location: Goleta
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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ok, here's what I did.... I unplugged the wire harness from the back of the ignition switch and I took a short piece of wire, one end to the red constant power and the other end to the wire that goes to the starter silenoid. I had the multimeter hooked to the battery and it drained down to 11.97 volts.
me thinks it's the starter silenoid.........?? |
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papertiger_98 Confused Bugger

Joined: November 01, 2004 Posts: 335 Location: prescott az
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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sounds like it if the car didn't turn over by jumping wires _________________ "In wine, there is truth.
In beer, there is strength.
In water, there is bacteria "
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DanGreen Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2003 Posts: 182 Location: Goleta
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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yup, its the starter.....
went and got it checked at pepboys. I guess water got in the silenoid and shorted something?? it was a brand new stater so it was still covered, they almost didnt exchange it because I didnt have a reciept.....manager finally found it in the computer, so yea it didnt cost me anything which is a good thing! Any suggestions on how to keep it from shorting again? besides not driving through puddles? I was thinking cv grease........  |
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greatlord Samba Member

Joined: August 16, 2004 Posts: 212 Location: southeast CT
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| you could put a rubber boot over it, or keep the speed down so water doesn't get up that high, |
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sharky745 Samba Member

Joined: September 30, 2004 Posts: 182 Location: Port Orange, FL
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Cool, glad to see you got it replaced. Not sure if the grease would be conductive or not... Anybody have a clue? |
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USMCord1 Razorback

Joined: July 22, 2005 Posts: 1538 Location: Az
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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yup, its the starter.....
went and got it checked at pepboys. I guess water got in the silenoid and shorted something?? it was a brand new stater so it was still covered, they almost didnt exchange it because I didnt have a reciept.....manager finally found it in the computer, so yea it didnt cost me anything which is a good thing! Any suggestions on how to keep it from shorting again? besides not driving through puddles? I was thinking cv grease........  |
Who was giving grief to DesertBob?
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| When you have electrical problems don't assume that just because it is ?? days or years old that it is still good. |
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greatlord Samba Member

Joined: August 16, 2004 Posts: 212 Location: southeast CT
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| they use a silicone grease to help keep water and corosion ota electric crap in the navy I know that doesn't conduct I think tune up grease is the same stuff its a good idea to use it on all your weather prone conectors |
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DanGreen Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2003 Posts: 182 Location: Goleta
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| you could put a rubber boot over it, or keep the speed down so water doesn't get up that high, |
say what?! keep the speed down???????? if the water level of the puddle comes up to the starter it wont matter how slow I go, besides once I get those rear tires spinning it kicks up all kinds of water under there...... Some puddles you can't make it across if you don't have enough speed. Its strange that it would short out anyway, my original starter never had that problem....must be these "new" rebuilds I guess.......
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DanGreen Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| DanGreen wrote: |
yup, its the starter.....
went and got it checked at pepboys. I guess water got in the silenoid and shorted something?? it was a brand new stater so it was still covered, they almost didnt exchange it because I didnt have a reciept.....manager finally found it in the computer, so yea it didnt cost me anything which is a good thing! Any suggestions on how to keep it from shorting again? besides not driving through puddles? I was thinking cv grease........  |
Who was giving grief to DesertBob?
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| USMCord1 wrote: |
| When you have electrical problems don't assume that just because it is ?? days or years old that it is still good. |
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tuche... just a simple missunderstanding....

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DanGreen Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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I know I'll just wrap duct tape around the seems. |
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greatlord Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| you could put a rubber boot over it, or keep the speed down so water doesn't get up that high, |
say what?! keep the speed down???????? if the water level of the puddle comes up to the starter it wont matter how slow I go, besides once I get those rear tires spinning it kicks up all kinds of water under there...... Some puddles you can't make it across if you don't have enough speed. Its strange that it would short out anyway, my original starter never had that problem....must be these "new" rebuilds I guess....... |
I try and drive around puddles like that
I did buy some starters from JC whitney a while back I figured at a quarter the price of a bosh rebuild it was worth replacing them now and again, first time the car flooded and had to be cranked for more that 5 seconds they burnt out I'd say when you buy a rebuild make sure ya know who rebuilt it, or do what I did and go scrapyarding, most of the OE starter I've found in junkyards work perfectly, hell I used the stock starter to pull my van about half a mile home when the camshaft gear striped out a while back the originals are dammed tough units |
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DanGreen Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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my bosch only cost me $25 because the manager made a mistake... I even asked him if he was sure about the price and he said yes even though I new it wasn't, hey, I tried being honest! It was actually on sale for $50 with core exchange but sometimes you just get lucky.
came back to thank everyone that helped me out, thanks! always a learning experience.........  |
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TimGud Samba Member

Joined: March 03, 2002 Posts: 6459 Location: Rio Rico Arizona
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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Can you get it running with a push start? My 64 recently started doing this and I traced it back to the ignition switch. Rather that spending the $$ for a new switch, I just hooked up a $2 push button. Turn the key, hit the button, and I'm off. |
Its cheaper to just push start it.  |
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