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BarryL 
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| Whoa! That's kind of bitchin'. I'd say something that had two wheels on the ground (chain to each one) or the differential part wouldn't work. Old REO Speedwagons had a drive like that. Snowcat? Anybody got pics of the drive train? |
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WhitewallsJohnson
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I agree, from a bitchin' VW trike, I'd bet.
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melensdad
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I believe that would be a transmission from a Snow Trac ST4. They were made in Sweden by Aktiv from 1957 to 1980/1 using all VW drive train components.
Here is a thread on them: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=207031
Here is a photo of a transmission that has part of the Variator Belt assembly installed, it will give you a better idea of how the components fit together. You can see that the sprockets on the side of the transmission do not drive the chains, they work internally in the Variator Belt Assembly and ultimately are extended out to where the chain drive exists.
Hope this helps . . . but I have a question, how much snow is in Arkansas that someone would be parting out a Snow Trac? 
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| but I have a question, how much snow is in Arkansas that someone would be parting out a Snow Trac? |
Maybe thats why they're parting it out and not selling it whole. 
Seriously though, I just wanted to mention how cool it is to see the research and shared info that goes on on this site. Good stuff. 
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melensdad
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| I just wanted to mention how cool it is to see the research and shared info that goes on on this site. Good stuff. |
Some forums are like that! Lots of sharing. I honestly didn't come up with the answer. I posted the photo of the transmission on my Snow Cat forums. I was about 90% sure it was a Snow Trac tranny, but wanted confirmation. It only took a few minutes to get the confirmation I needed, and the picture is courtesy of another member at the Snow Cat forums, since I have never had the need to pull my transmission, I didn't have a photo.
There are some great sites on the internet were people actually share and help!
Oh and by the way, a Snow Trac is equally at home on sand dunes, gravel, or even tall grass.
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to me, it looks a bit too "redneck" to be a snow cat trans. look at how the axles are crudely cut off and how the axle tube retainers are stock, compared to the nicely finished parts on the snow cat trans.
i vote for homemade hillbilly log splitter. |
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WhitewallsJohnson
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| melensdad wrote: |
I believe that would be a transmission from a Snow Trac ST4. They were made in Sweden by Aktiv from 1957 to 1980/1 using all VW drive train components.
Here is a thread on them: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=207031
Here is a photo of a transmission that has part of the Variator Belt assembly installed, it will give you a better idea of how the components fit together. You can see that the sprockets on the side of the transmission do not drive the chains, they work internally in the Variator Belt Assembly and ultimately are extended out to where the chain drive exists.
Hope this helps . . . but I have a question, how much snow is in Arkansas that someone would be parting out a Snow Trac? |
Melensdad, Thanks for taking the time to shed some light on the subject.
Sounds like the ST and VW communities share the same helpful spirit.
We get a fair amount of snow in the Ozarks but unfortunately, not enough to justify owning a snow cat  Although, I'd love to have one. Amazing vehicles and impressive engineering using a steering wheel to drive a track vehicle.
Thanks again
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| hazetguy wrote: |
to me, it looks a bit too "redneck" to be a snow cat trans. look at how the axles are crudely cut off and how the axle tube retainers are stock, compared to the nicely finished parts on the snow cat trans.
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Real classy hazetguy. The axle is actually forged and finely splined with a keyway. Thats just grime in the pic. Behind the gear is a bearing and seal.
Now if you'll excuse me, i gots to go slop some hogs and dance me a Jig.  Jerk.
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eat me.
look, your pic is not that detailed, and in the small version, the dirt/rust makes the end of the axle look like it was hacked off with a torch.
now that i got a better look, it does look better than a redneck mod.
how about some more and better pics, since it IS an interesting piece.
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eat me.
look, your pic is not that detailed, and in the small version, the dirt/rust makes the end of the axle look like it was hacked off with a torch.
now that i got a better look, it does look better than a redneck mod.
how about some more and better pics, since it IS an interesting piece.
sorry if i hurt your sensitive feelings, crybaby. now go back to watching dr. phil reruns. |
Don't feel bad Jon. I thought the same thing when I looked at the picture. |
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Nice..... Now i think Im actually starting to like you.
I actually think you make a good point about the flanges. I dont see how they could fit inside of the variator assembly since it seems to mount in place of, or over the side diff cover. But then again, we're comparing early versus late transaxles. There may be a difference in Variator assemblies too. Ill bow to our Snow Trac experts on this issue
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| I dont see how they could fit inside of the variator assembly since it seems to mount in place of, or over the side diff cover. But then again, we're comparing early versus late transaxles. There may be a difference in Variator assemblies too. Ill bow to our Snow Trac experts on this issue |
I'm no expert on the Variator Assembly, I do know a good deal of Snow Trac history, but knowing history and knowing the technical aspects are two different things. I can tell you that there were some changes to the Snow Trac mechanicals in the early 60's, and there were engine version changes a couple of times. It would seem logical that there could have been both transmission and variator changes over the nearly 25 year time span of production.
I have several exploded diagrams of the Variator, but none of the actual transmission.
As I said, I believe this could have been from a Snow Trac. I can not be more definite than that without comparing some of my dozen different manuals, parts lists, etc to the flange sizes/layout on the sides of the transmission.
Sorry if I can't help any more than that 
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| I dont see how they could fit inside of the variator assembly since it seems to mount in place of, or over the side diff cover. But then again, we're comparing early versus late transaxles. There may be a difference in Variator assemblies too. Ill bow to our Snow Trac experts on this issue |
I'm no expert on the Variator Assembly, I do know a good deal of Snow Trac history, but knowing history and knowing the technical aspects are two different things. I can tell you that there were some changes to the Snow Trac mechanicals in the early 60's, and there were engine version changes a couple of times. It would seem logical that there could have been both transmission and variator changes over the nearly 25 year time span of production.
I have several exploded diagrams of the Variator, but none of the actual transmission.
As I said, I believe this could have been from a Snow Trac. I can not be more definite than that without comparing some of my dozen different manuals, parts lists, etc to the flange sizes/layout on the sides of the transmission.
Sorry if I can't help any more than that |
Youve been immensely helpful
I'm sure your right, that as VW evolved, Snow Tracs kept pace.
I think we may just be comparing apples and oranges when were looking at these two pictures of an early split case trans. and a later model trans. with, what i imagine is, a likewise later Variator assembly.
Vw quit using these split case transaxles in 59 i believe, isnt that about the time that the Snow Tracks appeared? If so, were looking for pictures of a REALLY EARLY variator assembly on a transaxle. Do you know if Snow Tracs used all new VW parts or were they possibly using refurbished transaxles?
Thanks again for all your input and expertise.
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Vw quit using these split case transaxles in 59 i believe, isnt that about the time that the Snow Tracks appeared? If so, were looking for pictures of a REALLY EARLY variator assembly on a transaxle. |
Here is some information that I received from a VW mechanic who is a Snow Trac guy, it might shed some light onto the topic, I presume his information is accurate (or very close to accurate):
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| Thanks for the lead on the snow trac. I have worked on VWs for 35 years the first trans is a pre 61 vw and the second is a post 61. If that helps If you need VW info I would be glad to help Brian |
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| I'm sure your right, that as VW evolved, Snow Tracs kept pace. . . Do you know if Snow Tracs used all new VW parts or were they possibly using refurbished transaxles? |
Snow Trac did not keep pace with VW, they actually trailed behind VW by a couple of years! Snow Trac actually bought DISCONTINUTED PARTS from VW on a regular basis. It is common to find VW parts that are 2, 3 or even 5 years older than the model year of the Snow Trac. I have a 1972 Snow Trac, a VW guy who spent a week digging through my ST told me that my engine is from the late 60s.
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That would make an awesome mid-engine buggy, with chain-drive rear wheels! Much stronger than CVs, and much cheaper and easier to replace in the unlikely event that a chain did break! I want one!
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