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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's think about another possible way you could have approached this. You COULD have gathered all the documentation which you SAY you will have, gathered pictures of the WHOLE car, posted them with the documented interesting history of the vehicle and THEN we could all have enjoyed a nice discussion about an interesting Beetle. Instead we've spent three pages on a thread and have nothing more than a few pictures of a convertible Beetle with some modifications done to it with the carrot that it's "rare" (aren't they all?) that Icy eludes to dangling in front of us and you all pissed off that we seem bored with it all.

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so if anyone is interested PM me and make an offer subject to inspecting it.

You ARE fishing. I say again... PUT IT IN THE CLASSIFIEDS!!!


... and now we're up to page four.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the whole manner of presenting this car was poorly done and leads to people's suspicions mine included. While I'm not validating a car that I haven't seen in person, anyone could add the headlamp washers that were not a USA option as well as the leather seats but what made me look twice was the color. USA Convertibles in 1976 were available in red, orange, yellow and blue. The special edition was white and there was no green. Viper Green was a Europe only color plus this is the later - darker viper green mix.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey there dr. darby that's interesting regarding the color options. how do you know which colors were offerred in U.S. only vs. europe? i just know that on wolfsburg west they have those color pages that tell which ones were offerred but there is nothing designating which colors were available where. i'm not second-guessing you at all, i just want to learn about what people use as resources. i like knowing this stuff. Very Happy

also, to the guy who's selling this thing, it is a pretty car, that's for sure. but you were just so silly in the way you presented it in the beginning that it's hard to feel really sorry for you at this point. even i thought it was suspicious and ridiculous and i'm one of the nicest people around here. Razz

good luck with the sale though. it seems to be shiny and well-kept. you shouldn't have a problem finding a home for it.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has this car been shown at the Concours show in past years? I swear it looks very familiar.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

was shown this last year at the show cause I went and picked it up.

thanks bigyellowdog but the way I presented it was a little amok because i dont have the resources like I do on my home cpu such as digital camera and memory card slot etc. so it was hard to present pictures.
apparently there are three known to exisist in this color. same year, same options etc.
the one is here, the other in europe, and another in the karmann museum which I havent been able to track down the pictures of it.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was it for sale at the show?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

no wasnt for sale, but after I got it out and cleaned it up a little for him he felt like he neglected it a little and wants to bring the other one stateside.

he also has several karmann bodied cars such as a 15k mile 78 633 BMW that he doesnt really drive.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*bump*

So what's the truth about this car?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Icy wrote:
*bump*

So what's the truth about this car?



So I have to ask, what does "bump" mean? I see this in the forums every now and then and I'm curious.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bumping the topic to the top...

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the later viper green color was also on 914s, and i believe that is why it was painted that color, the factory was also making 914s at the time
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you sure this isn't just a LeGrande Beetle?:

http://www.sebeetles.com/lagrandebug.htm

I know I've seen other Beetles in that color.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes im sure its not a grande
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are you sure?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strap in... here we go again!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no sport wheels.
the wheels on it are original and they are not the sport wheels simply put.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems that a lot of weight is being placed on how viper green is a Porsche 914 color. The 914 was offered in a huge amount of colors most were Vw colors. What's the bug deal?

What i like about Vw people is that they don't get caught up in one up-man-ship that goes with special colors & serial no etc. For the most part all acvw's are created equal. My experience says the Porsche guys can be real flakes about things like this.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

YellowSplittie wrote:
Why are you sure?


Because A) VW didn't make LeGrande beetle convertible for the USA. It was an option package for the Sedan only to boost sales and clear the shelves as the 1303 Sedan was to be discontinued. It ended up selling well enough that VW made a second run of them labeled as 1975 models early in the 1976 model run. B) VW also didn't offer a green convertible in the VSA in 1976 (or 1975 for that matter).

Again I'm not trying to make anything really special out of the car but if it is truely a USA Spec car as it looks (fuel injection, crash bumpers, turn signals on the front fenders) and it's original factory applied paint is Viper Green then it was a "special" and unique in our market. Such cars are produced from time to time. For example out of the 3000 Ultima Edicions made at the very end that were Uquarius Blue or Luna Beige there was one produced that was Sundown Orange as a gift for a matriarch in the Porsche Family. Porsche 914 color is irrelivant as VW, Porsche & Audi shared paint colors for years and the VW convertible was available in that color in Europe.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrDarby wrote:
YellowSplittie wrote:
Why are you sure?


Because VW didn't make LeGrande beetle convertible for the USA. It was an option package for the Sedan only to boost sales and clear the shelves as the 1303 Sedan was to be discontinued. It ended up selling well enough that VW made a second run of them labeled as 1975 models early in the 1976 model run.


Not to disagree with you as I don't know anything about LeGrandes, but at the bottom of this page it says 1303 Super Beetle OR Convertible.

http://www.sebeetles.com/lagrandebug.htm

If the ad hadn't indicated Convertible, I'd not have asked if it could be a LeGrande.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The information is correct except for the convertible part. USA 'verts were Scarlet Red, Laguna Blue (sometimes called florida), Fiesta Orange and Sunflower yellow all with black tops & black leatherette interior. There wasn't a special edition convert in 1975.
In '76 it was the same except there were special Editions in "Triple White" (actually Light Ivory L80E paint) with white (irmine) top and interior. There was also a short run of Bi-Centennial Specials that arrived in July built toward the end of the model run which was an optioned up triple white.
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