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bpritchert87
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i would also consider density of materials involved, heat dissapation, also need to have a control in any experiment..... i would also do multiple tests on each to create the most likely possible situation with each piston..... (as each piston is different no matter what..... cast/ forg. whatever nothing in this world is exactly the same) also consider using the same jugs other wise if you use the same jug or jubs it could alter the data recieved due to warpage of the particular jug....
edit: i mean i would not just use one jug but rather have the same style or same type of jug for each.. one piston and one jug for each (not one jug for all of the testing for the different jugs....)
just a few things to think about when doing a test as mentioned above...
this is just my 02 cents some might not apply but i would still consider them when testing pistons....
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15-16 pages are NOT a lot to read either. 
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kekonaiii
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| 15-16 pages are NOT a lot to read either. |
Did you just want to see your avtar in the thread? Mission accomplished  |
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TroyG
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| I hardly think they have a 6000.00 pile of scrap metal that is a grave exaggeration of making a point. I have blown many motors in my life since the 80's and each one of them did not cost 6000.00. Even when I was a deep advocate of BUYING everything that BERG sold.... |
First Motor
Case 600.00
Cam clearanced 90.00
Lifters 90.00
Rods Scat 5.5 290.00
Arp2000 3/8 bolts 45.00
Main bearings Kobys 60.00
Rod bearings Clevite 77 45.00
Cam bearings Mahle 16.00
Dual tapered push rods Manton 157.00
Push rod tubes CB large mouth 35.00
Weld and rebuild head 400.00
Piston 50.00
Rings 75.00
Cylinders 75.00
Rebalance crank 250.00
Seals & Gaskets 40.00
Shipping 400.00
$ 2718.00 Not including Tax or Labor
$ 58.00 Tax
$ 2000.00 labor 40 hrs
Second Motor
Case 600.00
Cam clearanced 90.00
Lifters 90.00
Rods Scat 5.5 290.00
Arp2000 3/8 bolts 45.00
Main bearings Kobys 60.00
Rod bearings Clevite 77 45.00
Cam bearings Mahle 16.00
Dual tapered push rods Manton 157.00
Push rod tubes CB large mouth 35.00
Weld and rebuild head 400.00
Pistons 375.00
Rings 75.00
Cylinders 135.00
Rebalance crank & turn 350.00
Seals & Gaskets 40.00
Shipping 400.00
$ 3203.00 Not including Tax or Labor
$ 80.00 Tax
$ 2000.00 labor 40 hrs
You do the math and if you want to buy my scap metal it is still for sale.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=496737
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| I am not here to lay blame and not here to take blame. AS I told Troy in a earlier conversation on the phone I am not saying there is anything wrong, but I would hook him up. Then he threatened me he was going to go to the forums and start blasting me, us, AA. I told him that would be his prerogative and that it would not matter to me if he was going to do that. I, we, AA have nothing to hide. |
You offered to give me a set of AA pistons to put in my THIRD motor and I told you, If they were wisecos that would be fine. I also told you, with all do respect there is NO way im putting AA pistons in my THIRD motor and I know you could understand were I was coming from. You did offer to hook me up with as many parts as I needed to get my motor up and running at full retail. And after we talked I contacted 3 other companys that felt bad about what I was going through and stepped up to the plate and only charged me shop price for my parts. To those guys I say THANK YOU VERY MUCH.......
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| Also I have talked to Thomas and asked him about what was said to Troy. I get a different version from How Troy puts it in here. Sounds to me like it is different from what Thomas told me. Without accusing anyone I think there is some missquoting on Troys part according to my conversation with Thomas.. I said SEEMS so don't start to bash me I am only making a opinon on what I heard Thomas tell me... If any of you have ever talked to Thomas his english is not the greatest and I could see how someone that does not talk to him on a daily basis could misunderstand.. If Thomas tells me he did not say it the was Troy typed it I have to believe Thomas. |
Kona there is NO misunderstanding about the conversation between myself and Thomas. At the time I was talking to Thomas on the SPEAKER phone I had another racer/engine builder sitting in my office listening to the conversation. After we got off the phone I reverified what i had heard him tell me, just to make sure I was not hearing things. Thomas is a very nice man to talk to on the phone and is not that hard to understand. Trust me when I say I talk to ALOT worse everyday. |
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Splitdog
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kekonaiii
You got to come here and make your point. You will always get critisism unless you speak your point. If you look at the number of people who look at this thread, it is something like 15,000. That is a lot of people with interest in what is happening with this product. It is up to you to make them belive in your product or decide to buy somewhere else. There is always nay sayers. Expecially if they own a $6000 pile of scrap metal and they blame your product. The guys just want a good piston that they can rely on.
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I hardly think they have a 6000.00 pile of scrap metal that is a grave exaggeration of making a point. I have blown many motors in my life since the 80's and each one of them did not cost 6000.00. Even when I was a deep advocate of BUYING everything that BERG sold....
We have sold 1000's of piston kits and there are Thousands of people and many Shops that use our products without fail. All of these folks know they are getting a good product or they would not be making orders all these years....
BTW I did speak my point and I said I am not here for the bashing, but in this community we have lots of seperation and people that don't like to stick together. hopefully one of the two moderators could come in and take out anything that has nothing to do with the discussion |
I got that in my engine EASY, and it's only 180-200hp. !!??
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| Towel Rail wrote: |
| 15-16 pages are NOT a lot to read either. |
Did you just want to see your avtar in the thread? Mission accomplished |
That was "helpful"
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kekonaiii
You got to come here and make your point. You will always get critisism unless you speak your point. If you look at the number of people who look at this thread, it is something like 15,000. That is a lot of people with interest in what is happening with this product. It is up to you to make them belive in your product or decide to buy somewhere else. There is always nay sayers. Expecially if they own a $6000 pile of scrap metal and they blame your product. The guys just want a good piston that they can rely on.
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I hardly think they have a 6000.00 pile of scrap metal that is a grave exaggeration of making a point. I have blown many motors in my life since the 80's and each one of them did not cost 6000.00. Even when I was a deep advocate of BUYING everything that BERG sold....
We have sold 1000's of piston kits and there are Thousands of people and many Shops that use our products without fail. All of these folks know they are getting a good product or they would not be making orders all these years....
BTW I did speak my point and I said I am not here for the bashing, but in this community we have lots of seperation and people that don't like to stick together. hopefully one of the two moderators could come in and take out anything that has nothing to do with the discussion |
I got that in my engine EASY, and it's only 180-200hp. !!?? |
$6000.... parts and labor... that's pretty easy to do. You want to see receipts?
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| hopefully one of the two moderators could come in and take out anything that has nothing to do with the discussion |
"I don't want to sort through the whole 15 pages of this thread..."
But let's "try" to stay on topic.
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kekonaiii
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| I hardly think they have a 6000.00 pile of scrap metal that is a grave exaggeration of making a point. I have blown many motors in my life since the 80's and each one of them did not cost 6000.00. Even when I was a deep advocate of BUYING everything that BERG sold.... |
First Motor
Case 600.00
Cam clearanced 90.00
Lifters 90.00
Rods Scat 5.5 290.00
Arp2000 3/8 bolts 45.00
Main bearings Kobys 60.00
Rod bearings Clevite 77 45.00
Cam bearings Mahle 16.00
Dual tapered push rods Manton 157.00
Push rod tubes CB large mouth 35.00
Weld and rebuild head 400.00
Piston 50.00
Rings 75.00
Cylinders 75.00
Rebalance crank 250.00 Who charged you 250.00 to balance a crank
Seals & Gaskets 40.00
Shipping 400.00
$ 2718.00 Not including Tax or Labor
$ 58.00 Tax
$ 2000.00 labor 40 hrs
Second Motor
Case 600.00
Cam clearanced 90.00
Lifters 90.00
Rods Scat 5.5 290.00
Arp2000 3/8 bolts 45.00
Main bearings Kobys 60.00
Rod bearings Clevite 77 45.00
Cam bearings Mahle 16.00
Dual tapered push rods Manton 157.00
Push rod tubes CB large mouth 35.00
Weld and rebuild head 400.00
Pistons 375.00
Rings 75.00
Cylinders 135.00
Rebalance crank & turn 350.00
Seals & Gaskets 40.00
Shipping 400.00
$ 3203.00 Not including Tax or Labor
$ 80.00 Tax
$ 2000.00 labor 40 hrs
You do the math and if you want to buy my scap metal it is still for sale.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=496737
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| I am not here to lay blame and not here to take blame. AS I told Troy in a earlier conversation on the phone I am not saying there is anything wrong, but I would hook him up. Then he threatened me he was going to go to the forums and start blasting me, us, AA. I told him that would be his prerogative and that it would not matter to me if he was going to do that. I, we, AA have nothing to hide. |
You offered to give me a set of AA pistons to put in my THIRD motor and I told you, If they were wisecos that would be fine. I also told you, with all do respect there is NO way im putting AA pistons in my THIRD motor and I know you could understand were I was coming from. You did offer to hook me up with as many parts as I needed to get my motor up and running at full retail . And after we talked I contacted 3 other companys that felt bad about what I was going through and stepped up to the plate and only charged me shop price for my parts. To those guys I say THANK YOU VERY MUCH.......
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| Also I have talked to Thomas and asked him about what was said to Troy. I get a different version from How Troy puts it in here. Sounds to me like it is different from what Thomas told me. Without accusing anyone I think there is some missquoting on Troys part according to my conversation with Thomas.. I said SEEMS so don't start to bash me I am only making a opinon on what I heard Thomas tell me... If any of you have ever talked to Thomas his english is not the greatest and I could see how someone that does not talk to him on a daily basis could misunderstand.. If Thomas tells me he did not say it the was Troy typed it I have to believe Thomas. |
Kona there is NO misunderstanding about the conversation between myself and Thomas. At the time I was talking to Thomas on the SPEAKER phone I had another racer/engine builder sitting in my office listening to the conversation. After we got off the phone I reverified what i had heard him tell me, just to make sure I was not hearing things. Thomas is a very nice man to talk to on the phone and is not that hard to understand. Trust me when I say I talk to ALOT worse everyday. |
This is untrue I NEVER would have tried to sell you parts at retail that would be ludicrious, I would have offered to give the parts to you at cost. AND anyone that knows me knows that that is the type of person I am I TRY to help everyone even when I don't make any money..
I have to say that you are a very scorned person to put such a ad up there on the samba kind of chlidish in character, not a very mature adult. You don't see Mike Chambers up here acting out. Controling your emotions is very important in life I have leared the hard way. You seem to be a very obsessive person.
First Motor
Case 600.00
Cam clearanced 90.00
Lifters 90.00
Rods Scat 5.5 290.00 Scat comes with there own bolts
Arp2000 3/8 bolts 45.00
Main bearings Kobys 60.00 Where would you buy Klobens for 60.00
Rod bearings Clevite 77 45.00 http://cbperformance.com/catalog.asp?ProductID=1471
Cam bearings Mahle 16.00 8.00
Dual tapered push rods Manton 157.00
Push rod tubes CB large mouth 35.00
Weld and rebuild head 400.00 Weld and rebuild???
Piston 50.00
Rings 75.00
Cylinders 75.00
Rebalance crank 250.00
Seals & Gaskets 40.00
Shipping 400.00
$ 2718.00 Not including Tax or Labor
$ 58.00 Tax
$ 2000.00 labor 40 hrs Who did you give 2000.00 to for labor the build this longblock? Are there any engine builders in here that would charge 2000.00 to build this simple longblock. There is nothing special about this motor so I am just so curious as to how you would of had to pay so much..
This is about 4700.00 and you are trying to tell all of the Samba community that every part in this list is not usable. This is what we are trying to establish here. 6000.00 PILE of scrap!!! You should not have posted this list it really shows how you did exagerate and inflate your statment.This list you have here I have added some retail prices to.
Did you really pay 50.00 for pistons and 75.00 for cylinders or is this a mistype.... Non the less you have broke it down and now we or at least I can see that I was correct about it, NO 6000.00 pile of scrap[/b] |
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kekonaiii
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I got that in my engine EASY, and it's only 180-200hp. !!??[/quote]
$6000.... parts and labor... that's pretty easy to do. You want to see receipts?
I think if anyone that would be qualified on the cost of parts that would be me. No arguement on the cost of parts only the arguement of what his claim is. 6000.00 of useless parts. ACTUALLY I think it was 12000.00 of useless parts.....BUT even with his inflation of parts/labor could not reach his claim!!!! This is not what are here for BUT I have to address it since the DOOR was opened......
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| hopefully one of the two moderators could come in and take out anything that has nothing to do with the discussion |
"I don't want to sort through the whole 15 pages of this thread..."
But let's "try" to stay on topic.[/quote]
Aw Glen I see that humour still sets in well with you, you are truly a gem here.. |
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Glenn
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| hopefully one of the two moderators could come in and take out anything that has nothing to do with the discussion |
"I don't want to sort through the whole 15 pages of this thread..."
But let's "try" to stay on topic. |
Aw Glen I see that humour still sets in well with you, you are truly a gem here.. |
Seriously... I have a set of AA 92 thick walls and would "like" to hear the failures are a small batch of 94s that only fail under extreme applications.
Now as a moderator, don't expect me to go through 15 pages of posts and figure out what is relevant and what is not. What i'd like to see is everyone sticking to the facts, keep the personal attacks out and when replying... please only quote the section that relates to your comments. It makes it a lot easier to ready.
After all, we're here to get the facts straight. If you want to Rant... go somewhere else.
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Marty Staggs
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$2,000 labor???????
Thanks - my prices just went up!
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KennyD.
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Troy, who charged you 2,000$ in labor? I hope it wasn't Barry? 
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TroyG
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| Rebalance crank 250.00 Who charged you 250.00 to balance a crank |
The crank was sent to Bob DeMellow to have it straightened, polished and reheat treated.
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| Rods Scat 5.5 290.00 Scat comes with there own bolts |
I only use arp2000 rod bolts and was told by scat that if the bolts are not marked they are 8740's
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| Main bearings Kobys 60.00 Where would you buy Klobens for 60.00 |
I have a local parts house here in town and thats what they charge
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| Cam bearings Mahle 16.00 8.00 |
I have a local parts house here in town and thats what they charge
Your right I missed that one I pay 7.50 a set for the bearings , so 30.00 not 45.00
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| Weld and rebuild head 400.00 Weld and rebuild??? |
Weld the head, recut it , replace valves
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| Who did you give 2000.00 to for labor the build this longblock? |
I do my own work, but alot of the people that lost motors because of this failure had to pay to have there work done for them. And 40 hours for a long block is about right. These motors were not just throw togeather long blocks. You of all people should know how long it takes to build a race motor. There is alot more that goes into one of these motor ( It Takes Time )
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| Did you really pay 50.00 for pistons and 75.00 for cylinders or is this a mistype.... |
1 AA piston with valve pockets and 1 cylinder clearanced
Yes in our phone conversation you told me that you would sell me all the parts I needed to rebuild the new motor. That is the parts that you carried. You never offered to sell me my parts at cost or even at shop price.
As far as me being a very scorned person, You dang straight I am, I have lost a lot of money, parts and time because of a bad batch of pistons.
( Childish ) Yes I am, I like to play with my toys and when someone sells me a defective toy, that wont last more than a couple of hours of playing with it, yes Im going to throw a fit.
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Well all I can say is Mike's mom and dad must have done a better job of raising him.
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Kona I am who I am, I do say whats on my mind and alot of people don't like people like me and thats OK, with me you know what you get, I don't care if I make the top ten list of best in america. I will do what ever it takes to help anyone in need and everyone around me will atest to that.
All I ask is that when you are posting new ads for your products just post the truth and don't inflat your products.
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( Best Production Pistons on the market ) ........
Taken from one of Kona's ads.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=352116
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I have never said that all your products are bad, What I have said is that there was a bad batch of pistons that were put out on the market and they have been causing problems. Are your products the best on the market, no. Are your products good aftermarket parts, probably. I have only used the 94mm pistons ( Twice ) and yes I had a problem with them. |
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| I got that in my engine EASY, and it's only 180-200hp. !!?? |
$6000.... parts and labor... that's pretty easy to do. You want to see receipts?
I think if anyone that would be qualified on the cost of parts that would be me. No arguement on the cost of parts only the arguement of what his claim is. 6000.00 of useless parts. ACTUALLY I think it was 12000.00 of useless parts.....BUT even with his inflation of parts/labor could not reach his claim!!!! This is not what are here for BUT I have to address it since the DOOR was opened......
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| hopefully one of the two moderators could come in and take out anything that has nothing to do with the discussion |
"I don't want to sort through the whole 15 pages of this thread..."
But let's "try" to stay on topic.[/quote]
Aw Glen I see that humour still sets in well with you, you are truly a gem here.. [/quote]
It seems to me coming in here and arguing about parts costs is a mute point, what is done is done, and buy arguing I think Kona is only throwing dirt back on top of himself while digging a bigger hole, $1000 or $6000 its in the past. What Troy and others had to pay to get there engines back together is unfortunate but that is the cost of racing, it will happen again, and engines do blow up.
What would be helpful for Kona is to post up informative past and present testing data that will help propel AA forward in the future and show that they are concerned with the quality of the product, and not just blowing smoke, at this point all I see is smoke.
Kona I feel as a business man you are doing AA an unjust cause by judging parts costs (which I feel you are out of touch with) instead of providing pertinent information regarding the legitimate questions of your customers.
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kekonaiii
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I have gotten many emails and I have answered all of them, but I want to make it clear that I am putting no blame on anyone and we are doing everything within our power to get to the bottom of this. It takes time to get things done. I am sorry for those of you that have had an issue with the Forged Pistons.
I have talked to Thomas in length and we have sent a few of the pistons out new and broken to get tested for the strength of the metal. All this will tell us is that the metal is consistant with what it is claimed to be.
We are also checking with the factory to see if they did anything different in the stamping or machining.
Thus far I am told there was no difference. The graphite coating has nothing to do with anything. There is no way to tell from a used piston if it was the one with or without the graphite.
-The graphite was just the last step to be done. It is grapite spray that its ONLY intended use was to coat the cylinder on the initial start up. It is NOT baked on if you took a NEW (FORGED ONLY) Piston and sprayed it with carb cleaner the graphite would come off. Our hyperutechtic pistons have the baked on graphite coated that is permenant.
We thought that the graphite spray would be a nice touch to the piston. Yes we did have input from some reputable engine builders. |
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SRP1
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I have gotten many emails and I have answered all of them, but I want to make it clear that I am putting no blame on anyone and we are doing everything within our power to get to the bottom of this. It takes time to get things done. I am sorry for those of you that have had an issue with the Forged Pistons.
I have talked to Thomas in length and we have sent a few of the pistons out new and broken to get tested for the strength of the metal. All this will tell us is that the metal is consistant with what it is claimed to be.
We are also checking with the factory to see if they did anything different in the stamping or machining.
Thus far I am told there was no difference. The graphite coating has nothing to do with anything. There is no way to tell from a used piston if it was the one with or without the graphite.
-The graphite was just the last step to be done. It is grapite spray that its ONLY intended use was to coat the cylinder on the initial start up. It is NOT baked on if you took a NEW (FORGED ONLY) Piston and sprayed it with carb cleaner the graphite would come off. Our hyperutechtic pistons have the baked on graphite coated that is permenant.
We thought that the graphite spray would be a nice touch to the piston. Yes we did have input from some reputable engine builders. |
Now thats what I'm talking about. Cool. |
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It seems to me coming in here and arguing about parts costs is a mute point, what is done is done, and buy arguing I think Kona is only throwing dirt back on top of himself while digging a bigger hole, $1000 or $6000 its in the past. What Troy and others had to pay to get there engines back together is unfortunate but that is the cost of racing, it will happen again, and engines do blow up.
What would be helpful for Kona is to post up informative past and present testing data that will help propel AA forward in the future and show that they are concerned with the quality of the product, and not just blowing smoke, at this point all I see is smoke.
Kona I feel as a business man you are doing AA an unjust cause by judging parts costs (which I feel you are out of touch with) instead of providing pertinent information regarding the legitimate questions of your customers.[/quote]
Did you read this part of my comment...???
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Do some thermal conditioning and lets shear it. You have to take continuous samples out of the batch to verify QC Tell Thomas he needs to get consulting engineer. A small price increase on a part to insure quality is well worth it to all. I have not heard of one valid quality test being done. I'll repeat it again.
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Stripped66
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I have talked to Thomas in length and we have sent a few of the pistons out new and broken to get tested for the strength of the metal. All this will tell us is that the metal is consistant with what it is claimed to be.
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This is what was needed to be done to EVERY batch of pistons BEFORE they were sent to a single customer. This is called QUALITY CONTROL!!!
When I buy a Wiseco or JE piston, guess what? The premium I pay covers the cost of American manufacturing and QUALITY CONTROL
Considering the price difference between AA's and its competitors, the price of AA pistons would be reasonable considering they are made in China (cheap material and labor) and IF the price included QUALITY CONTROL. But you've just admitted (what we've suspected all along) that you're not doing the quality control that your competitors' charge for. So what are AA customers getting for their money besides an overpriced liability?
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| Why not just make a custom set of wires with a Y splice in them. Then you could just run one distributor. |
I don't think electrickery works that way |
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Stripped66
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$2,000 labor???????
Thanks - my prices just went up! |
I charge twice that amount. That's why my only customer is me 
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| Why not just make a custom set of wires with a Y splice in them. Then you could just run one distributor. |
I don't think electrickery works that way |
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dog_jr911
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lets see some actual tech sheets, or quality reports. thats really all AA can do! these people here...they want hard facts. not "i did this and your acusing me of that"
tech sheets, quality reports, metal testings... Scan them and post em up
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