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tclark Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:04 am Post subject: Bosch SR0408X/409X vs HiTorqueIMI-101 gear reduction starter |
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So looks like my Bosch starter solenoid is on the way out after only 5 years
So when i bought this a back then I found out that http://www.hitorque.com
built a gear reduction starter for amout us$185
and I also see a few co doing rebuild imi-101
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320466104212
any feeds back from any one who bought either of these starter motors ?
particularly the rebuild units ?? _________________ 89 Westy with TDI AHU 1.9 manual lots of mods
85 GL 1.9, auto (for sold)
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presslab Samba Member
Joined: September 29, 2008 Posts: 1730 Location: Sonoma County
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:45 am Post subject: Re: hitorque.com IMI-101 gear reduction starter |
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I tried one when I did the Subaru conversion. It spun the engine too slow. I don't know how it will work on a stock engine but I've never heard much good about these starters.
I have a good Bosch rebuild and it works great. The hot setup these days seems to be the Westyventures TDI starter adapter.
http://www.westyventures.com/parts.html _________________ 1986 Vanagon Westfalia EJ25
1988 Subaru GL-10 EJ20G --- 2000 Honda XR650L
2010 Titus El Guapo --- 2011 On-One 456 Ti |
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tclark Samba Member
Joined: November 21, 2005 Posts: 926
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fatboypaul Samba Member
Joined: August 24, 2004 Posts: 432 Location: Emeryville, Ca, SF Bay.
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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Westyventures setup is the way to go, I tried Bosch rebuilts, too many of them, then tried one of Kennedy's HiTorque... it died way too early.
Now the Bosch TDI starter has the power needed to start my Suby.... everytime. Made me trust my Westy again. |
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Rubber Tramp Samba Member
Joined: October 07, 2008 Posts: 385 Location: DFW, Texas
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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I have TDI starter as well... haven't had the chance to try it out yet though _________________ 1985 SVX powered Westy - soon to be converted to syncro
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=382910
^^^Rocky Mountain Westy SVX rebuild and conversion^^^ |
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allsierra123 Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2006 Posts: 1462 Location: Tecate, Baja California MX
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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I have the ebay gear reduction on my TD and have yet to have any trouble with it. Works very nicely _________________ 95 GMC Yukon 6.5 TD 2 Door Tow pig/ Daily driver.
91 Vanagon GL. 1.9TD Conversion Sold
81 Vw rabbit 1.6 Diesel. Sold |
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BlackDogVan Samba Member
Joined: December 21, 2007 Posts: 855 Location: Vancouver Island
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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allsierra123 wrote: |
I have the ebay gear reduction on my TD and have yet to have any trouble with it. Works very nicely |
Do you need some glow on a warm start?? Mine did until the WV tdi starter setup, definitely the way to go IMHO. Gear red justy didn't have the poop... |
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tclark Samba Member
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BlackDogVan wrote: |
Do you need some glow on a warm start?? Mine did until the VW tdi starter setup, definitely the way to go IMHO. Gear red just didn't have the poop... |
BD - are you saying this about the ebay made in china SR0408X
or about the crap bosch reman starters for the the wbx'ers ? _________________ 89 Westy with TDI AHU 1.9 manual lots of mods
85 GL 1.9, auto (for sold) |
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tclark Samba Member
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wcdennis Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2004 Posts: 955 Location: Winston-Salem NC
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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I just bought one of those eBay starters and the Westy Ventures adapter for my 2.2L Subaru powered '84. I have the hot start problem, but never to the point that the engine won't start--although sometimes it just barely makes it. This can be exciting when you accidentally stall it at a crowded intersection. I will report back after I install it. |
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kenwilfy Samba Member
Joined: February 14, 2004 Posts: 107 Location: Millville, NJ
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:56 pm Post subject: Hi Torque starter |
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Because they are gear reduction starters they actually turn the engine over exactly half as fast as the stock starters (I forget how I figured this out). They sacrifice spinning speed for torque. I had a customer come in with one of these he bought from a vendor before he came to me. I installed it and then he came back about a year later. Wow this thing turned into a rusted pile of poop in that one year. The warranty was over and so was the starter. I put a Bosch rebuilt unit back on and it is still going strong. What do I put on my Vanagons? Bosch rebuilt starters. They are the best. They are expensive but they usually go the distance versus any other rebuilt starter out there. I tried a few Advance Auto starters when I was first starting out. Can you say "Spray Paint" rebuild? They didn't even a full week out of them before they were acting worse than the old one I took off. Yes they have a lifetime warranty but who wants to spend their lifetime changing them? Not me. _________________ Thanks,
Ken Wilford
John 3:16
www.vanagain.com
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Tristar Eric Samba Member
Joined: July 25, 2004 Posts: 1242 Location: Portland, Or
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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I just installed my TDI starter on my Syncro Doka. I have the trans out, so it's way easier. Here's the thing, don't expect this thing to be changed easily when it's in. The diff lock bracket is notched to allow the starter to sit right on it. Then the diff lock switch is so close that it was not easily tightened.
I'm crossing my fingers that I won't be back in there for a while, but it might just be easier to drop the trans in the future to access the starter.
TDI Power coming soon! |
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tclark Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:57 am Post subject: |
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wcdennis wrote: |
I just bought one of those eBay starters and the Westy Ventures adapter I will report back after I install it. |
Any chance you might want to take the starter case apart b4 you install
and confirm the 'design flaw' that buffbuh claims in this thread
(Also he did not get the 2KW model he claims to of got 2-1890-BO 1.8KW)?
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4395099#4395099
and take pics so the collective sambanistas sp ? can weight in in this on this China junk theory ? _________________ 89 Westy with TDI AHU 1.9 manual lots of mods
85 GL 1.9, auto (for sold)
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r39o Samba Polizei
Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 9800 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:43 am Post subject: |
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Dang, it seems there almost is NO perfect starter!
So what do I use?
TDI?
or
Porsche?
Anybody have some part numbers so I can find a Porsche one to use with my automatic and Suby?????
At least that bolts in and we know several local Porsche shops as trade partners. _________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22, Rancho trans 0.82 4th, Small Car front AC, CLKs w/ 215/65-16, homemade big brakes 303mm, Konis, Recaros, etc....
Click to see my ads for Cup holders, Subaru clutch fix and CLK wheels (no wheels currently) |
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BlackDogVan Samba Member
Joined: December 21, 2007 Posts: 855 Location: Vancouver Island
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:47 am Post subject: |
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tclark wrote: |
BlackDogVan wrote: |
Do you need some glow on a warm start?? Mine did until the VW tdi starter setup, definitely the way to go IMHO. Gear red just didn't have the poop... |
BD - are you saying this about the ebay made in china SR0408X
or about the crap bosch reman starters for the the wbx'ers ? |
I meant my OEM TDI Bosch starter on my AAZ makes me feel the same as when I'd climb the rope in gym class...
The gear reduction unit didn't have the poop to spin the engine over fast enough to start a warm engine without a wee bit of glow plug. Now all go, no glow. |
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tclark Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:53 am Post subject: |
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r39o wrote: |
Dang, it seems there almost is NO perfect starter!
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r39o the above post is only in reference to the wps clones of the
SR0408X/SR0409X, you can get brand new life time warranty
for 350-400 Bosch units + the $70 adapter _________________ 89 Westy with TDI AHU 1.9 manual lots of mods
85 GL 1.9, auto (for sold) |
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Gauche1968 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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This issue of the gear reduction starters is intriguing me, because I bought one of the Hi Torque starters in Spring 2007, just before GoWesty stopped carrying them due to declining quality standards from the manufacturer. I haven't had a problem with it since, so I am wondering if I got lucky and got one of the good ones or if I am sitting on a time bomb? _________________ 1984 Vanagon GL
1984 Vanagon Westy |
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wcdennis Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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Here are some photos of the eBay WPS SR0408X starter and WestyVentures adapter:
Here it is with the adapter plate:
Here is the adapter mounted on the starter:
Here is the testing video:
Link
All I can say now, is that it works. I haven't decided if I will try to take it apart before I install it and see what the internals look like. |
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r39o Samba Polizei
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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BlackDogVan wrote: |
tclark wrote: |
BlackDogVan wrote: |
Do you need some glow on a warm start?? Mine did until the VW tdi starter setup, definitely the way to go IMHO. Gear red just didn't have the poop... |
BD - are you saying this about the ebay made in china SR0408X
or about the crap bosch reman starters for the the wbx'ers ? |
I meant my OEM TDI Bosch starter on my AAZ makes me feel the same as when I'd climb the rope in gym class...
The gear reduction unit didn't have the poop to spin the engine over fast enough to start a warm engine without a wee bit of glow plug. Now all go, no glow. |
What I meant was the relationship between the high power slow turn and adapter verses the Porsche starter. This automatic centric, though.
I don't know if I want a TDI starter or a 911 starter. Both will basically be free excepting if I get one that needs the adapter. But, my total cost will be very low. I just do not want to have to fix it again, if possible. _________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22, Rancho trans 0.82 4th, Small Car front AC, CLKs w/ 215/65-16, homemade big brakes 303mm, Konis, Recaros, etc....
Click to see my ads for Cup holders, Subaru clutch fix and CLK wheels (no wheels currently) |
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tclark Samba Member
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