father son project need some input

[embussee]

I think i gonna go the modified darth weber route with a 2161. But, i'm gonna need a lot of input and advice, lol!

[DarthWeber]

90.5 x 84. May I ask why you decided to use an 84mm crank?
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[embussee]

I can get a better deal on the 84mm over an 82mm. Are you advising against?

[DarthWeber]

I believe an 82 x 9? will go together easier than an 84. Could be cam clearancing issues. Also 5.5" con rods although some use 5.4", might be some clearancing issues there. I'm just going back to your original idea of fun and simple to build. Most stroker P/C sets are designed to be used with an 82mm crank and will fit together with a minimum of fuss like extra clearancing or shimming of barrels, things like that.
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[vwracerdave]

Stay with the 82mm crank for a streetable engine. The larger you go the more you have to clearance stuff and the weaker it becomes. Just because they are the same price is a foolish reason.
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[RockCrusher]

Stroke to a size commensurate to your skill level.

RC
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[embussee]

They are not the same price where I'm buying actually bout $100 difference. But, since u advise me not to, ill go with th 82mm. My reasoning was not stupid. I am just not frivolous with my money.

[RailBoy]

Just so it be known if you have not been on for a long time the guys that have given there opinions on the second page here know whats up.. It is guys like them is why I went with a 2110 this past year which is an 82 crank by 90.5 Piston.... And this was over two decades ago to go with a 2110, and a couple years back, peeps like these guys still ranted good reviews on the 2110 so I ended up with one... Runs good, just listen to these guys on items like cams, carbs, and what nots.... You want to mate your engine together well so it preforms well over the entire RPM range and well as last...

Hope you just put in the time is all before purchasing items to ensure you have good parts, reading the forums and using the search is a big help that I have seen thesamba present thanks to its depth and scope, these guys also can help with grey areas, I will say, they are way more expierenced at engine building than I am, that is why I like to read there posts in threads and all, learn something that is cool and correct.. Gotta like that, RB

[RockCrusher]

Good points RB. I love the 84 cranks but I know what's involved with using them before I ever touch the engine. The 82 cranks ease the "extras" quite a bit.....cam and case clearancing. Rod selection is a bit more critical as the big end design with 84's. Just because you pay for case clearancing doesn't mean your 84 and rods will drop right in and it's happy camping from there. An 82 crank with Chevy journals makes life pretty darn simple but you still have to pay attention to case clearance...mostly at the main bearing webs at that point.

RC
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[Arnolds64]

Those Dells are like Gold. Keep them. Besides those are probably the most expensive part of the building a VW anyway. You can vent them down anyway so they will work. Would be a little muddy on little motors with the large throttle plate but will work. With that you already have the engine I see no reason why you could not go with a stroker.

Go with a Mild Stroker. Case Clearancing is no big deal - 75.00 at Brothers Machine. I sent mine to Rimco from Kansas City to Cal. The case is very light so I packed in peanuts and UPS'd it to them.

A tried and true 2110 as mention is perfect. With the 120 Engle and standard 1.1.1 rockers it will be very reliable. The heads are where the power is but you can go cheaper and with a LOs Bandito or even the Cheaper version and do you own porting. If you can wrench it too this is where you save the money. Most do not and have them built. I have a good shop here in KC -Vee Village that has all the parts, machining equipment and have been doing this for 35 years. I have them put the bottom end together or as we say, "finished to with the rods hanging out." Did this to make sure all the clearances are good. With the not in spec journals sometimes with the Chinese parts today, I think it is important to have someone handle that part to make sure the rotating assembly is right.
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[embussee]

I appreciate the knowledge these guys have and these are things that I need to know. If I hadn't have put that out there I would have ordered it and been in a bad spot. I will pay the difference and go with the 82mm. I am splitting that case as we speak

Thanks for input!

[csclassics]

i had a 1776 in my split bus and drovr it daily. reliable and great tork. thats what I'd go with go....save those 45s for something else