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BjornTore
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 Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:25 pm Post subject: Luftfilter / Air filter VW what year? |
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| Hi. Anyone knows what year VW used thiis type of Luftfiler/Airfilter? I have in for my 1949 std. mod VW. But the engine is from 1952?! the pic is in the gallery on this forum!! BT, Norway |
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kdf38
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: Luftfilter/Airfilter VW what year? |
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| Hi. Anyone knows what year VW used thiis type of Luftfiler/Airfilter? I have in for my 1949 std. mod VW. But the engine is from 1952?! the pic is in the gallery on this forum!! BT, Norway |
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janerick3
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This is the "Cyclonic" air filter, referred to as "Kübelwagen" air cleaners by some of the VW old-timers. In any case, these were commonly found on Hoffman-imported, U.S.-market splits. There is a discussion on them in this thread:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=325034
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Gustav Petri
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This is the Mann "Cyclonic" felt cone air filter, first used on VWs (Type 11A) in July 1949, at Chassis No. 1-0114186, according to Progressive Refinements. However, some old-timers refer to these as "Kübelwagen" air cleaners. In any case, these were commonly found on Hoffman-imported, U.S.-market splits. There is a discussion on them in this thread:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=325034 |
I have seen a cupple of these filters but dont think I have seen the MANN version, all I have seen would be KNECHT. Some say they would be a better solution for dusty roads. They would allso be used on the dual carb Express kit. The filter could be a dealer and not customer option, anyone know? |
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splitjunkie
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This is the Mann "Cyclonic" felt cone air filter, first used on VWs (Type 11A) in July 1949, at Chassis No. 1-0114186, according to Progressive Refinements. However, some old-timers refer to these as "Kübelwagen" air cleaners. In any case, these were commonly found on Hoffman-imported, U.S.-market splits. There is a discussion on them in this thread:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=325034 |
I have seen a cupple of these filters but dont think I have seen the MANN version, all I have seen would be KNECHT. Some say they would be a better solution for dusty roads. They would allso be used on the dual carb Express kit. The filter could be a dealer and not customer option, anyone know? |
I believe you are correct about this version being made by KNECHT. It is also not a felt element. The filter element is sort of like those old copper pot scrubbers.
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BjornTore
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: Luftfilter/Airfilter VW what year? |
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| BjornTore wrote: |
| Hi. Anyone knows what year VW used thiis type of Luftfiler/Airfilter? I have in for my 1949 std. mod VW. But the engine is from 1952?! the pic is in the gallery on this forum!! BT, Norway |
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I forgot to write, its a Knecht filter. |
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Kjell Roar
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Its maybe original to your car. They put it over when they put a newer engine in it. Factory rebuild engine maybe? Is your car Møller import?
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Kapt. Q
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| janerick3 wrote: |
This is the Mann "Cyclonic" felt cone air filter, first used on VWs (Type 11A) in July 1949, at Chassis No. 1-0114186, according to Progressive Refinements. However, some old-timers refer to these as "Kübelwagen" air cleaners. In any case, these were commonly found on Hoffman-imported, U.S.-market splits. There is a discussion on them in this thread:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=325034 |
The oldtimers probably refered to it as a kubel filter because it is very similar in appearance to this, note how the clamps are identical (could well be from the same manufacturer):
The cyclone first appeared during the war to address the dusty conditions of N. Africa and Russia in the summer. The above one is quite rare, this is the more common version, sorry it's not a better picture:
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splitjunkie
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| janerick3 wrote: |
This is the Mann "Cyclonic" felt cone air filter, first used on VWs (Type 11A) in July 1949, at Chassis No. 1-0114186, according to Progressive Refinements. However, some old-timers refer to these as "Kübelwagen" air cleaners. In any case, these were commonly found on Hoffman-imported, U.S.-market splits. There is a discussion on them in this thread:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=325034 |
I don't believe this is correct.
There are only three entries about air filters in PR during the 25hp years.
Jan 14, '49 Chassis No 092 918 Air Cleaner, Now: mushroom shape, Formerly: pot shape.
July '49 Chassis No 1-0 114 186 Felt cone filter, Now: for engines in vehicles of type 11A
Aug 20, '52 Chassis No 1-0 382 029 Oil bath air cleaner, Now: fitted in a number of cases
The felt cone filter is the T filter or coffee can filter that we see on most 25hp engines. It has a felt cone inside. I don't see any mention of the word "Cyclonic". This filter continued until the introduction of the strap type oil bath filter (that had three variations in and of itself)
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janerick3
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| janerick3 wrote: |
This is the Mann "Cyclonic" felt cone air filter, first used on VWs (Type 11A) in July 1949, at Chassis No. 1-0114186, according to Progressive Refinements. However, some old-timers refer to these as "Kübelwagen" air cleaners. In any case, these were commonly found on Hoffman-imported, U.S.-market splits. There is a discussion on them in this thread:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=325034 |
I don't believe this is correct.
There are only three entries about air filters in PR during the 25hp years.
Jan 14, '49 Chassis No 092 918 Air Cleaner, Now: mushroom shape, Formerly: pot shape.
July '49 Chassis No 1-0 114 186 Felt cone filter, Now: for engines in vehicles of type 11A
Aug 20, '52 Chassis No 1-0 382 029 Oil bath air cleaner, Now: fitted in a number of cases
The felt cone filter is the T filter or coffee can filter that we see on most 25hp engines. It has a felt cone inside. I don't see any mention of the word "Cyclonic". This filter continued until the introduction of the strap type oil bath filter (that had three variations in and of itself) |
I agree--original post edited. To answer the original poster, I would say the cyclonic filter was discontinued when the oil bath filter was introduced (20 Aug 52). Garwood mentions (pp. 38, 92) that either the Mann "mushroom" or the Knecht "sock" filter was used 1945-48. I cannot find a picture of the Knecht "sock" filter in the gallery, but I saw one several years ago and thought it looked very similar to the cyclonic filter, but with a felt sock in place of the mesh filter element.
However, either the wing nut oil bath air cleaner or the coffee can filter was installed between 20 Aug and the end of 1952, when the first type of "strap" air cleaner was introduced. The coffee can continued to be available until the introduction of the 36hp engine, when the oil bath cleaner became standard equipment. Both change points are documented in PR.
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Bengt H
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In Sweden the cyclone filter was installed from 1 jan -52, I have paper on that from the Swedish VW importer  |
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BjornTore
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hello. No my car is delivered first time in Germany. It came to Norway in early 70 s. Bt |
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