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vwuguy
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 Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:54 pm Post subject: How do I get title for a bus in GA |
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Hi, i've allways wondered and several times have wanted to buy a vw bus in georgia but they only require a bill of sale there,. Which is great as long as its in georgia. However, according to where i live in ontario canada i need a title to transfer in the previous owners name and bill of sale my the new owners name and make it roadworthy. How do i get this title since its probably be lost for 20years or more..any ideas..
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smitty24
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2 of my buses had missing titles. It was a total nightmare to get replacements, I wouldnt do it again.
1st bus I went through a lien service. Cost about $65 and a month, in addition to the DMV fees.
2nd bus, went through a replacement title place out of Arkansas or Alabama, can't remember which one but they have ads all over, online. Cost $300. My DMV in Oregon almost didnt let me do it! It was iffy and they said the laws changed in Oregon. A bill of sale and old registeration was not good enough anymore. They did some research and left me hangin for a few days...then said it was ok if the vehicle was older than 1975 and had not been registered in 30 years minimum. I got lucky and they did it. Won't ever do that again!
Some places it is getting harder and harder to do this. You can't just contact the previous registered owner, as the DMV thinks. They either died or were flakey old hippies that don't want to be found. You may ask if your dmv will let you if you go the liening route. |
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RHD Notch
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Question #1. Does Georgia issue titles for older vehicles? I know some states do not issue titles for vehicles older than fifteen+ years...only registrations are issued via a bill of sale.
Question #2. Perhaps if you could convince your provencial motor vehicle department through the use of Georgia DMV documents that a title wasn't issued for the vehicle in question they wouldn't mandate the title requirement, but you need to know the answer to Question #1 above first...
The California DMV field offices know what each state issues as proof of ownership for the other forty-nine states...so therefore they wouldn't mandate a title for a vehicle that is coming into California from a state that ever issued a title...like Vermont for example. Vermont only issues registrations for vehicles fifteen years and older. That registration, along with a VIN verification is all that is needed to obtain a California title.
The fact the you're not in the U.S.A. could change all the rules though...
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landkholdings
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I live in GA. They'll title a bath tub as long as it's newer than 25 years, but beyond that, all you need/get is a bill of sale.
My bus came from Missouri with a title, but once I brought it to Georgia, no more title.
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type47fan1
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Ga is a bill of sale state on cars older than 25 yrs. You CAN get a title, but you have to do a bonded title for a couple of years(this may have changed) and then the state issues a regular title. I did this with a car a few years back.
If you buy a car with an out of state title they will issue you a GA title, done it several times on older cars.
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MrPolak
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GA does not require titles for vehicles 25 years old and older.
I have done a little research and it looks like titles are OPTIONAL. This means, if a vehicle is registered with a title by the owner, that owner can REQUEST a title if the owner registered it with a title in the first place. This means DMV kept the title and will issue it back i the owner's name.
If the owner registered the car without a title things get a bit trickier. To my understanding the vehicle has to be "inspected" by the local gendarmerie (police precint) to verify and certify the VIN. After a bit of legwork and a laughably small sum of cash the owner can get a title.
Again, the above is based on internet research. It makes sense, though, since abandoning titles all together means vehicles can not be sold to states or countries that require them. And that would be entirely too silly. |
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Shaun Murray
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| If the owner registered the car without a title things get a bit trickier. To my understanding the vehicle has to be "inspected" by the local gendarmerie (police precint) to verify and certify the VIN. After a bit of legwork and a laughably small sum of cash the owner can get a title. |
I went this route through my local DMV. I bought a spliwindow bus that had never been titled in my state that was missing the title. After a VIN search, VIN verification by a police officer, sellers affadavit, bill of sale from the guy I bought it from, a form explaining why the vehicle wasn't titled, and about 2 months time I had a clear title in my name. On the flip side of all of this it only cost me about $10, but I think the all the aggravation and stress it involved took a year or 2 off my lifespan. Everytime I went to the DMV they informed me I was still missing yet another form that needed to be completed and always seemed to need to be signed by a police officer, notary, or previous owner. Not to mention the guy I bought it from lived 2 hours away so anything I needed him to sign I had to mail. From my understanding this route wouldn't have been possible if the VIN search would have turned up a titled previous owner in the state either. I don't think I'll ever persue this route again unless it's an unbelieveably good deal or something ultra-rare. I'm not saying it's not worth it, just hope for the best but expect the worse when dealing with the DMV. |
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landkholdings
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I had to visit the local tag/title office earlier to change over a motorcycle title for work. I asked the clerk, and she said that a vehicle of any age could be titled in GA as long as it has always been titled. According to her, since I registered my bus as non-titled, it can never again be titled in GA.
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type47fan1
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| I had to visit the local tag/title office earlier to change over a motorcycle title for work. I asked the clerk, and she said that a vehicle of any age could be titled in GA as long as it has always been titled. According to her, since I registered my bus as non-titled, it can never again be titled in GA. |
Half of that is right. They will continue to issue a title as long as the chain is not broken.
If you buy a non titled car out of state you most likely have to have an officer fill out a T-22B to get a tag in GA.
The state will not issue a title if you do not have one. That is correct, but you can get a bonded title and after a time period they will issue standard title. I just did these about 4 years ago with a porsche that the guy kept the original title from his original purchase. It was cool but when he brought it here he did not have a title. At the time, State Farm would issue a bonded title for 250 or so. I had it for a year or so and went to the STATE office in Atlanta and they gave me a title.
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dfusion001
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Ok so let me see if I got this right:
Lets say I have my bus in FL that I purchased without a title, can I "sell it" via Bill of Sale to a family member in GA and then they can get a title and register it in GA? Then they can sell it back to me, but with a title and registration? Can this be done? |
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ricekooker
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Ok so let me see if I got this right:
Lets say I have my bus in FL that I purchased without a title, can I "sell it" via Bill of Sale to a family member in GA and then they can get a title and register it in GA? Then they can sell it back to me, but with a title and registration? Can this be done? |
Yes. That's basically what the title company in Alabama does. |
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landkholdings
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Ok so let me see if I got this right:
Lets say I have my bus in FL that I purchased without a title, can I "sell it" via Bill of Sale to a family member in GA and then they can get a title and register it in GA? Then they can sell it back to me, but with a title and registration? Can this be done? |
Sounds like it is possible, just not that simple. I think you would have to go the bonded title route like type47 did with his Porsche.
My bus arrived in Georgia with a title, then I registered it as non-titled, which is what the clerk suggested that day, but in doing so, I broke the title chain. Georgia will not simply reissue a title once the chain is broken. If it is untitled in Florida, it will remain untitled in Georgia unless the family member is willing to give the bonded title a shot.
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landkholdings
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Oops, never mind.
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