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SoCal Imports
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Thanks to all the input to the whole Engle Cam's/EMPI knock off controversy.
I would like to set some things straight:
As of approximately 10 days ago, I stopped selling EMPI any of our Engle products. I will not continue to support a vendor that copies our product!
NO, Engle Cams has no connection to these cheep China cams.
NO, Glenn(Mr 010) Engle Cams have never been made in China, never has been made on blanks that come from China, and as long as I have anything to do with Engle, will never be...nough said about that!
YES, Engle cams continue to be made on blanks made in America, cast in America from iron ore from America and machined here in America. The only exception is that we do use some blanks that are made in a factory in Japan. This Japanese blank is from a foundry that make the OE Japanese car companies cams. The reason is that these lobes are larger for our bigger lifts. This is nothing new, Engle has done this for over 15 years! In fact, the last time I saw a Web cam it was ground on this same blank.
When I purchased the Engle Cams Company, it was on the verge of Bankruptcy. We have kept this alive for all of us VW lovers. Thanks for all of the support that you have given!
The best way to keep Engle strong is to not buy the knock of stuff!
If there are questions, you have my ear. I am here to support this amazing hobby!
Thanks
Andy Shouse
President
So Cal Imports, Inc
Engle Racing Cams
TriMil Racing Exhaust
AC Industries Inc.
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spencerfvee
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right on andy i have used engle cam since 1971 . i used to talk to jack engle about the old days he told me that they first ground vw cams for deano dyno soars and how dean and ken lowery came to there shop.with there race car . i am very happy you saved engle cams ... drag race motors love the FK 89 cam and still do.. i won a lot of races with the FK 89 cam over the years . as gene berg used to say the junk dealers like EMPI are the down fall of the vw . i blame the USA for not stopping all the crap comming in from china . its people like you that save a co. like engle cams. then have some jerk like EMPI copy your cams .to me thats a slap in your face . good luck andy spencerfvee quote="SoCal Imports"]Thanks to all the input to the whole Engle Cam's/EMPI knock off controversy.
I would like to set some things straight:
As of approximately 10 days ago, I stopped selling EMPI any of our Engle products. I will not continue to support a vendor that copies our product!
NO, Engle Cams has no connection to these cheep China cams.
NO, Glenn(Mr 010) Engle Cams have never been made in China, never has been made on blanks that come from China, and as long as I have anything to do with Engle, will never be...nough said about that!
YES, Engle cams continue to be made on blanks made in America, cast in America from iron ore from America and machined here in America. The only exception is that we do use some blanks that are made in a factory in Japan. This Japanese blank is from a foundry that make the OE Japanese car companies cams. The reason is that these lobes are larger for our bigger lifts. This is nothing new, Engle has done this for over 15 years! In fact, the last time I saw a Web cam it was ground on this same blank.
When I purchased the Engle Cams Company, it was on the verge of Bankruptcy. We have kept this alive for all of us VW lovers. Thanks for all of the support that you have given!
The best way to keep Engle strong is to not buy the knock of stuff!
If there are questions, you have my ear. I am here to support this amazing hobby!
Thanks
Andy Shouse
President
So Cal Imports, Inc
Engle Racing Cams
TriMil Racing Exhaust
AC Industries Inc.[/quote] |
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vwracerdave
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There are lots of other vehicles besides VW's that use Engle cams all the way up to 8,000 HP top fuel dragsters. Same with SCAT cranks and rods.
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mark tucker
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and dont forget the indy 500 winners that used engle cams in indy cars.I had them make me a roller cam a 1 off custom cam, great price, great well awassom service,awassom product.I hope they keep engle alive till the end of time(well past 12,12,21 or what ever it is)and I will continue to user thier products. I do have some ideas for new grinds for them& other new products but havent finished on them yet.
I hope they can continue getting cores from hear instead of overseas.Hopefuly more things will come back this way. |
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modok
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| We should all e-mail empi that we want them to copy the CB ice cream scoop. |
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DarthWeber
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 As long as they import Chinese ice cream to go with it!
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laker
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Look China is notorious for violating copy rights, reverse engineering products to make cheap clones, that happens in the automotive, aviation and other industries, they run second shifts on company's that have contracts with Chinese manufacturer to built their products, they flood the market with crap and devaluate that particular line, unfortunately allot of company's that are trying to compete in a global market fall for there tactics.
So support your local company's with your Dollar and purchase products that your pocket will allow to buy from good manufacturer in your area...Quality is Quality and it comes in different languages but unfortunately not in the Chinese language. |
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ALB
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Thanks to all the input to the whole Engle Cam's/EMPI knock off controversy.
I would like to set some things straight:.... |
Thank you Andy for giving us the scoop straight from the source. I applaud you for keeping Engle as American made as possible. How receptive are you guys to doing custom grinds? Al
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Quokka42
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Yes, thank you Andy.
One car you don't see in China is the Beetle - if the Chinese are making copycat Engle cams, someone has taken examples over there and asked them to!
I'm not an American and I don't consider myself prejudiced towards any race, but I would not be the one to try these out.
In fact, I will state that I look forward to laughing (politely, behind my hand,) at the fools who do. If Empi were going to the trouble of finding a company with a good engineering and R&D department to produce new cams I might be giving it a second glance, but copies produced in sweatshops usually drop from their already low standards soon after the first shipment. |
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Thanks to all the input to the whole Engle Cam's/EMPI knock off controversy.
I would like to set some things straight:
As of approximately 10 days ago, I stopped selling EMPI any of our Engle products. I will not continue to support a vendor that copies our product!
NO, Engle Cams has no connection to these cheep China cams.
NO, Glenn(Mr 010) Engle Cams have never been made in China, never has been made on blanks that come from China, and as long as I have anything to do with Engle, will never be...nough said about that!
YES, Engle cams continue to be made on blanks made in America, cast in America from iron ore from America and machined here in America. The only exception is that we do use some blanks that are made in a factory in Japan. This Japanese blank is from a foundry that make the OE Japanese car companies cams. The reason is that these lobes are larger for our bigger lifts. This is nothing new, Engle has done this for over 15 years! In fact, the last time I saw a Web cam it was ground on this same blank.
When I purchased the Engle Cams Company, it was on the verge of Bankruptcy. We have kept this alive for all of us VW lovers. Thanks for all of the support that you have given!
The best way to keep Engle strong is to not buy the knock of stuff!
If there are questions, you have my ear. I am here to support this amazing hobby!
Thanks
Andy Shouse
President
So Cal Imports, Inc
Engle Racing Cams
TriMil Racing Exhaust
AC Industries Inc. |
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57baja
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| SoCal Imports wrote: |
Thanks to all the input to the whole Engle Cam's/EMPI knock off controversy.
I would like to set some things straight:
As of approximately 10 days ago, I stopped selling EMPI any of our Engle products. I will not continue to support a vendor that copies our product!
NO, Engle Cams has no connection to these cheep China cams.
NO, Glenn(Mr 010) Engle Cams have never been made in China, never has been made on blanks that come from China, and as long as I have anything to do with Engle, will never be...nough said about that!
YES, Engle cams continue to be made on blanks made in America, cast in America from iron ore from America and machined here in America. The only exception is that we do use some blanks that are made in a factory in Japan. This Japanese blank is from a foundry that make the OE Japanese car companies cams. The reason is that these lobes are larger for our bigger lifts. This is nothing new, Engle has done this for over 15 years! In fact, the last time I saw a Web cam it was ground on this same blank.
When I purchased the Engle Cams Company, it was on the verge of Bankruptcy. We have kept this alive for all of us VW lovers. Thanks for all of the support that you have given!
The best way to keep Engle strong is to not buy the knock of stuff!
If there are questions, you have my ear. I am here to support this amazing hobby!
Thanks
Andy Shouse
President
So Cal Imports, Inc
Engle Racing Cams
TriMil Racing Exhaust
AC Industries Inc. |
Curious Andy....
Since IAP has knocked off your camshaft line as well, even going so far as calling them 100, 110, etc in their advertising, have you ceased to do business with them too?
http://www.iapperformance.com/K-hltek-Motorwerks-I-1-Camshaft-p3297.html
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mark tucker
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| SoCal Imports wrote: |
Thanks to all the input to the whole Engle Cam's/EMPI knock off controversy.
I would like to set some things straight:.... |
Thank you Andy for giving us the scoop straight from the source. I applaud you for keeping Engle as American made as possible. How receptive are you guys to doing custom grinds? Al |
they made me one at an awassom deal.call chris & talk to him at engle.there great guys to deal with. |
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bluebus86
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Elgin cams is top notch, california based company second generation,and they know VW, they only appear to sell top rate stuff, are very knowlegable on phone call advice, nice folks to deal with.
I have three of their cams in my cars, very good. they know their stuff.
Of course california might be more communist than red china these days.  |
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mark tucker
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| elgin or engle??I didnt know elgin moved out west. |
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bugnut68
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| SoCal Imports wrote: |
Thanks to all the input to the whole Engle Cam's/EMPI knock off controversy.
I would like to set some things straight:
As of approximately 10 days ago, I stopped selling EMPI any of our Engle products. I will not continue to support a vendor that copies our product!
NO, Engle Cams has no connection to these cheep China cams.
NO, Glenn(Mr 010) Engle Cams have never been made in China, never has been made on blanks that come from China, and as long as I have anything to do with Engle, will never be...nough said about that!
YES, Engle cams continue to be made on blanks made in America, cast in America from iron ore from America and machined here in America. The only exception is that we do use some blanks that are made in a factory in Japan. This Japanese blank is from a foundry that make the OE Japanese car companies cams. The reason is that these lobes are larger for our bigger lifts. This is nothing new, Engle has done this for over 15 years! In fact, the last time I saw a Web cam it was ground on this same blank.
When I purchased the Engle Cams Company, it was on the verge of Bankruptcy. We have kept this alive for all of us VW lovers. Thanks for all of the support that you have given!
The best way to keep Engle strong is to not buy the knock of stuff!
If there are questions, you have my ear. I am here to support this amazing hobby!
Thanks
Andy Shouse
President
So Cal Imports, Inc
Engle Racing Cams
TriMil Racing Exhaust
AC Industries Inc. |
Curious Andy....
Since IAP has knocked off your camshaft line as well, even going so far as calling them 100, 110, etc in their advertising, have you ceased to do business with them too?
http://www.iapperformance.com/K-hltek-Motorwerks-I-1-Camshaft-p3297.html |
Not seeing this type of ID that you reported on the IAP cams, at least not at the link provided? |
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57baja
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| 57baja - Yes. |
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spencerfvee
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| Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:43 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI has there own cams are they china junk |
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allso the cam gears fits kind of lose on the EMPI cams to me theres nothing better than a eengle cam ...
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| update where i buy my vw parts started selling EMPI cams . out of 7 cams they had to send 3 cams back to EMPI because the side clearance was 10 thousands when you installed the cam in the thrust cam bearing .that was on two of the EMPI cams the 3rd EMPI cam the center cam bearing was ground with a 6 thousands taper that stopped middle ..where the cam bearing would be if you buy one make sure you look it over real good my self i am never going to buy a EMPI cam spencerfvee......... i see EMPI has come out with there own cams . are they china junk or are they good . ?? looks to me that there ground the same as engle cams . i see EMPI does not sell engle cams any more .i wonder why lol .. to me i want the real deal when i buy a cam not some china look a like cam . how do you guys feal real deal cam or a china cam ?? spencerfvee |
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Come on, Spencer, break out one of those NOS, made in Riverside, come in a blue and orange box, REAL EMPI cams I know you have in your stash of collectible EMPI stuff... 
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