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maco70 Samba Member

Joined: March 16, 2011 Posts: 502 Location: Montréal, Québec
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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:53 am Post subject: POR 15 on a new South African extend fuel tank ? |
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Hi,
I will receive soon my new South African extend fuel tank, which come with no paint on it.
Does somebody can tell me, please, if it could be a good idea to paint it with POR 15, to protect it for a while, even there is no yet rust on it?
... or any other product to suggest as a strong paint to protect it?
Many thanks in advance, _________________ Martin from Montréal
1986 Vanagon GL full camper westfalia
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Red Beard Samba Member

Joined: May 09, 2006 Posts: 463 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:31 am Post subject: |
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Could you have it powder coated, since it is presumably nice new metal without any rust?
In my area, you could get something like that powdercoated with a nice thick industrial coat for $150. |
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Farfrumwork Samba Member

Joined: October 10, 2008 Posts: 692 Location: Mile High
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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:43 am Post subject: |
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I've been using Chassis Saver (satin finish) on my refurbished suspension components. It is thin enough to be easy to use and cures rock hard.
You can paint over new or seasoned/rusted metal (no aluminum - not sure what material your tank is). I bet PO15 is similar (only ferrous metals).
For my rusty parts - I had them sandblasted and then I painted them. Excellent results.
For new metal they recommend blasting or sanding to rough up the surface for better bonding.
1qt = $38 (way more than you even need for 1 piece)
PC would eb good too - butmore $$ (again, probably your best bet if the tank is Al) _________________ sold -> '85 Wolfsburg Syncro / 'Built' DOHC EJ25 (a great machine!)
'07 Legacy spec.B, road tuned stgII
'17 4x4 Sprinter, stone grey, SMB pop-top, on 33"s
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maco70 Samba Member

Joined: March 16, 2011 Posts: 502 Location: Montréal, Québec
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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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thanks Guys!
Already good feedbaks. _________________ Martin from Montréal
1986 Vanagon GL full camper westfalia
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Timwhy Samba Member

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Terry Kay Banned

Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331
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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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The best possible rust solution for fuel tanks is laying a heavy coat of Bedliner on them.
It's urethane, it tough, it'll last a long time under the Van. _________________ T.K.
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randywebb Samba Member

Joined: February 15, 2005 Posts: 3815 Location: Greater Metropolitan Nimrod, Orygun
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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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any rubber or plastic inside that will be harmed by the baking for powder coating? _________________ 1986 2.1L Westy 2wd Auto Trans. |
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joseph928 Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2011 Posts: 2114 Location: flagstaff az.
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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:54 pm Post subject: tank |
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| Terry Kay wrote: |
The best possible rust solution for fuel tanks is laying a heavy coat of Bedliner on them.
It's urethane, it tough, it'll last a long time under the Van. |
X-2 Wow never thought I would agree with Terry on anything! Well OK we didn't decide on what brand!  _________________ 1987 syncro westy tin top sun roof , GW2.3, rear locker, decoupler, Gary Lee tire rack & winch mount, lift, south african grill, big brakes , rhein alloy ,15 BFG AT, Fiamma 10 foot awning ,140 watt rear 85 watt front solar , mppt, truckfridge, automatic fire extinguishing system, tencent oil cooler, And a RMW SS exhaust! - 1971 bug convertible 1776 engine- 2010 Subaru turbo - 1993 Toyota 4x4 truck - 1999 Harley 95 CI, big bore, Andrews cams . Also 80-84- vans. Stock 65 sunroof bug. |
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Terry Kay Banned

Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331
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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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The key word here is "Urethane"
It's impervious to gasoline.
You can make your own selection of where it's coming from, but the duplicolor will melt right out from under the gas.
So will POR-15.
So will Chassis Saver, Chassis Black,Chassis New, Chassis Renewer, The Bullet whatever.
All that stuff is, is cyano / acrylic hardened thick black enamel.
FYI;
Morton's spray can stuff is Urethane.
Gas won't melt it. _________________ T.K. |
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BillM Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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What ever coating you use make sure that you pay attention
to where the metal tubes run across the top. Dirt likes to
get trapped in between the metal pipe and tank which then
holds moisture causing it to rust.
I wouldn't bother using Por15 to coat the tank. That stuff is really
over rated and over priced for what you get. _________________ Bill M
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Farfrumwork Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't coat a tank either, but I live in a rust free zone. My original tank on my '85, which has been a CO vehicle its whole life, looks much like new - inside and out. _________________ sold -> '85 Wolfsburg Syncro / 'Built' DOHC EJ25 (a great machine!)
'07 Legacy spec.B, road tuned stgII
'17 4x4 Sprinter, stone grey, SMB pop-top, on 33"s
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Phishman068 Samba Member

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Terry Kay Banned

Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331
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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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The trick here is not to have a hard as nails finish on the tank--other than having it re-zinc, zinc chromate, or zinc nickeled.
The hard as a rock, self applicated stuff won't take a hard wack, moisture, or condensation as good as the Bedliner which is plyable and will stop a good hit from anything---and it will prevent rusting in from the outside.
This is one of the good reasons a tank rusts--the zinc gets wacked a couple of times the water attacks the exposed area's, the seam gets wet & holds moisture in it and it rusts.
Same with the frame paint & rust converters.
Stop the hits, stop the H2O and your in the ballpark, and will have a long lasting tank.
It would have to rust from the inside out--
Powder coating is a good idea, but it's way too brittle. _________________ T.K.
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Wellington Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Martin, who still sells SA gas tanks? |
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Downtown Brown Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Red Beard wrote: |
Could you have it powder coated, since it is presumably nice new metal without any rust?
In my area, you could get something like that powdercoated with a nice thick industrial coat for $150. |
. I had the same idea but didn't due to the soldered vent tubes. |
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ShootingFish Samba Member

Joined: July 25, 2010 Posts: 330 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Wellington wrote: |
| Martin, who still sells SA gas tanks? |
+1 _________________ SF
Props aren't just for boats....
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maco70 Samba Member

Joined: March 16, 2011 Posts: 502 Location: Montréal, Québec
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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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I bought the last SA extend fuel tank from Peter at Van-Cafe.
He said that he will maybe have others, not sure.
Maybe you could ask to Peter, so he will see that there is a demand for it !
About the paint, following the suggestions, i believe that i will go with the Urethane. Many thanks. _________________ Martin from Montréal
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JPrato Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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Powder coat is some times not the best stuff to use where corrosion is a concern. Oh sure nothing is going to get through a proper thickness of the coating itself but any sharp corner or edge does not get the full thickness of the coating. It is due to the electrostatic process, electric fields and sharp corners. It is easy for the sharp edge to get a nick during installation or use. As powder coating is applied over bare metal, rust will start and slowly creep under the powder coat until one day a whole chunk of the power coating will fall off leaving a very nicely corroded surface underneath.
There are fair amount of powder coated pieces on cars now a days. Here in the rust belt you will see rust spots all over on painted parts where as the powder coated parts look great, except for the large chunks that fell off and the rusted sections underneath.
In drier climates where stuff hardly rusts anyway I don't think it would be a concern. _________________ Joe
87 Syncro Tin Top project
84 Westy, 2.5L Subaru power
06 Subaru 2.5 turbo in waiting
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nemobuscaptain Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Terry Kay wrote: |
It would have to rust from the inside out--
Powder coating is a good idea, but it's way too brittle. |
It's been a while since I did the job, probably 98 on a vanagon that is no longer with me, but I remember having the tank do exactly that, rust on the inside.
It died on a road trip just a few months after I did the gas tank replacement. I took the tank out again on the roadside (to find it full of rust to my surprise). A motorcycle shop buddy put something in it to line the tank.
I don't know the country of origin of mine but it came from a well known forum vendor and looked high quality.
Do the newer tanks need anything on the inside?
I've smelled some vapors and I suspect I'll need to do at least the vapor lines soon but won't be surprised to fined that the tunnel on top of the tank is rusted badly as they seem to be in rustbelt vanagons. _________________ Ohio Valley Tribe, Full Moon Bus Club https://www.facebook.com/groups/294422277314227/
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