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Terry Kay Banned

Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331
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Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know how bad her top is, but all I did was run my Van through the car wash twice prior to laying the penetrol on.
( No optional spray wax)
It was chaulked out almost white, no hairs were exposed.
Do (somehow) wash the top good & let it dry well prior to laying the stuff on your top.
I mentioned the car wash as an option for you --cause of the elevation issue.
That could be a pain too- _________________ T.K. |
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dobryan  Samba Member

Joined: March 24, 2006 Posts: 17389 Location: Brookeville, MD
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rockfish Samba Member

Joined: February 13, 2007 Posts: 740 Location: Palo Alto, Calif.
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Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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BTW - most car washes run a little bit of their "jet wax" into their rinse water phase - helps with the air dry.
(During HS I had a weekend job as an assistant manager at a car wash). _________________ 89 Westy
GW 2.5 5-speed trans
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Terry Kay Banned

Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331
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Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Not here--that's extra. _________________ T.K. |
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator

Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 8623 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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Finally got this little project done.
The roof on my '90 was de-oxidized back in 2010, but it all returned in short order and got tired of looking at it when the roof was popped. Used Penetrol in the luggage rack awhile back, worked great; however, I had used Meguiar's #49 Oxidation Remover a few months prior. So, this weekend I finally got around to doing the pop-top. Penetrol alone wasn't going to cut it, and scrubbing the roof with a sponge and cleaner (as others have done) wouldn't work either:
^That same spot after using the Oxidation Remover and a scrub brush:
(No, the color didn't get lighter; just garage lighting & camera playing tricks.)
Left side = before work began; right side = after oxidation remover:
(Before anyone asks: The ring is just from resting the -stopped- buffer on the roof; pad was damp with the remover cream, hence the round spot... it went away when I did that section.)
Bottom = after oxidation remover; top = after oxidation remover & Penetrol:
Roof finally looks like new again! I'll post roof raised before/after comparison photos next weekend for the full effect.
Edit: Forgot to add the before/after comparison:
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1990 Vanagon Westfalia: Old Blue's Blog
2016 Golf GTI S
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singler3360 Samba Member

Joined: February 25, 2009 Posts: 1191 Location: Corvallis, Oregon
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Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Kamz, did you use an oxidation remover like GW's Protect All? I'm inspired by your photos to try this, followed by Penetrol, on my Orly blue top also. Thanks for the pics. |
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator

Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 8623 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Kamz, did you use an oxidation remover like GW's Protect All? |
No, I didn't bother with GW's product (I've read mixed reviews about that stuff). I went straight to my local West Marine and bought this:
I used all three on the rear (where the decal is) and it worked very well. But, that was before reading about Penetrol. Save yourself some money and buy just the #49 Oxidation Remover (OR), if you go this route. The kit works just as well as Penetrol, but you'll save yourself a step (and work/time) by not using the kit and using just the remover and Penetrol.
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| I'm inspired by your photos to try this, followed by Penetrol, on my Orly blue top also. Thanks for the pics. |
I probably went a tad overboard on this job 'cuz I'm a perfectionist when it comes to this kind of stuff. I wanted that roof positively clean before applying the Penetrol. I first applied the OR as directed using rags, but then I applied it to each section a second time using a soft-bristled scrub brush to it to get into the "valleys" of the roof's texture.
Oh, and if you don't use gloves when applying/removing the OR, prepare to turn into a temporary Smurf.  _________________ 1986 Cabriolet: www.Cabby-Info.com
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2016 Golf GTI S
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tam_shops Samba Member

Joined: November 15, 2012 Posts: 1531 Location: Vancouver BC
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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I did a layer of Penetrol on mine, could use another, but also realized that it could use another scrub kind of clean first after I started, but I'd just washed it...It is PRETTY! Well, minus all the scratches, dents and imperfections! LOL
Thanks for the cheap suggestion and fun in the sun everyone!
tam
Oh, and I use a mop to wash the top half & pop top of the Vanagon, never thought of the car wash, do that by hand and w/ my mop. Will get dh to use the scrub brush first next time. He seems to enjoy this shining stuff and helped wax too. He has no problem reaching! _________________ 1987 Vanagon Westfalia GL Automatic
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Terry Kay Banned

Joined: June 22, 2003 Posts: 13331
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Looks pretty good from 60 ft---
Get an entire coat of the penetrol on the whole top, let it sit a couple of hours, and do it one more time just for the heck of it.
It'll look right fine--you'll be plenty happy with the end result. _________________ T.K. |
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tam_shops Samba Member

Joined: November 15, 2012 Posts: 1531 Location: Vancouver BC
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Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:18 am Post subject: |
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Only 60ft? I thought it looked great at 6! LOL WAY better that's for sure! Of course I did the entire top, that was the half way picture to show how much better it looked!
Only so much time you know, want to take those seats off and clean/lube them first, but have to do some sort of Easter Egg thing w/ my kids for some reason. Will do another coat of Penetrol when I wash it next time, making sure to scrub it better and then put another coat of NuFinish on it too.
tam
| Terry Kay wrote: |
Looks pretty good from 60 ft---
Get an entire coat of the penetrol on the whole top, let it sit a couple of hours, and do it one more time just for the heck of it.
It'll look right fine--you'll be plenty happy with the end result. |
_________________ 1987 Vanagon Westfalia GL Automatic
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Terry Kay Banned

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Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:20 am Post subject: |
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Nu-Finish not required, and not suggested on top of the Penetrol--
The Penetrol all by itself will work quite well--- _________________ T.K. |
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tam_shops Samba Member

Joined: November 15, 2012 Posts: 1531 Location: Vancouver BC
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Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you, did that. Penetrol on fiberglass and NuFinish on paint. Sorry, I wasn't clear, but thanks for pointing it out anyway, never know what I might do by mistake!
tam
| Terry Kay wrote: |
Nu-Finish not required, and not suggested on top of the Penetrol--
The Penetrol all by itself will work quite well--- |
_________________ 1987 Vanagon Westfalia GL Automatic
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Royb Samba Member

Joined: May 24, 2008 Posts: 228 Location: Sierra Foothills
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Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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Having a whitevWesty, I didn't want to use Penetrol, which can yellow. I did a good scrub and applied T3, with great results. Some got rained off before it fully set, so I may do a 2nd coat, but looks great now. _________________ 1991 Westy |
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Timwhy Samba Member

Joined: January 01, 2009 Posts: 4102 Location: Maine
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Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:45 am Post subject: |
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I used Penetrol a few years back with good results.
My pop top was looking pretty grimey so this past
weekend I washed, and then scrubbed with Simple
Green and finally rinsed with the pressure washer.
Now to apply the Penetrol and I should be good
for a couple more years.
On another note anyone ever clean up under the pop
top? I cleaned probably 20+ years of dirt off this too,
this past weekend. Simple Green and a pressure washer!
_________________ '15 Audi A3 Quattro
'09 VW Tiguan (dead)
'87 VW Westy
'91 Tin Top
'90 Cabby
What the Westy wants the Westy GETS
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mr. c Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:40 am Post subject: |
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I put my first coat of Penetrol on a little thick in spots and the appearance is obviously uneven. Is it possible to sand/remove some the thicker spots before I apply a second coat? Does a second coat normally even out the unevenness, or do I have to lie in the bed I've made? _________________ Abe: 1987 Syncro Full Camper, TiiCo engine conversion, A3 pulley kit |
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mr. c Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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That's the stuff. _________________ Abe: 1987 Syncro Full Camper, TiiCo engine conversion, A3 pulley kit |
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shizzon Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| singler3360 wrote: |
| Kamz, did you use an oxidation remover like GW's Protect All? |
No, I didn't bother with GW's product (I've read mixed reviews about that stuff). I went straight to my local West Marine and bought this:
I used all three on the rear (where the decal is) and it worked very well. But, that was before reading about Penetrol. Save yourself some money and buy just the #49 Oxidation Remover (OR), if you go this route. The kit works just as well as Penetrol, but you'll save yourself a step (and work/time) by not using the kit and using just the remover and Penetrol.
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x2 on the Maguirs. I used all three and have been really happy with the result. My poptop was gnarly!
I found this stuff around the house, and used it to clean the top first.
I think it was still wet when I took this (it looks even in real life), but you can tell a big difference!
I should note that I also bought the special drill-mounted circular foam pads that maguirs sells for applying this stuff. ...not sure how necessary it really was, but it made the job go quicker. _________________ 1989 Bostig Syncro Westy |
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tam_shops Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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Did another coat of Penetrol today. Was *just* warm enough to wash and Nufinish it and then, add some Penetrol on the top!
Will have to wait and see how it looks next week to see if I need to do a 2nd coat....But, while I was up there, I noticed that my stickers, on their last leg of death prior anyway, are now dying a faster sad death since I've added the Penetrol. They seem to have dissolved in spots. Could certainly be age, but thought I'd point it out since while my stickers are original, yours may not be and you may not want to replace yours when skipping the Penetrol in that spot might do.
tam _________________ 1987 Vanagon Westfalia GL Automatic
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outdoornate65 Samba Member
Joined: September 29, 2012 Posts: 161 Location: SE burbs of Denver, Colorado
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Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:38 am Post subject: |
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Grabbed a can of Penetrol to use on my faded pop-top. I did a little test square over the weekend and was amazed by the results...can't wait to clean-up the entire top and get it shiny again.
Question: currently my pop-top has no Westfalia decals. Should I put the decals on before doing the Penetrol or will it be cool to do it after? Just wondering if the Penetrol will prevent the decals from sticking to the fiberglass top?
Thanks and Merry Christmas.....
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