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angeliis814
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 Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:00 pm Post subject: Fake 21 / 23..? |
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I've searched a bit and started to compile a small list of what I think I should be looking for. If anyone has anything to add/change/remove, let me know! 
Pictures of anything unique helps too!
Factory Belly Pans with Wiring Tube in Belly Pan (No Wiring Tabs)
Holes Drilled for Deluxe Trim
No Roof Welding / Window Cuts
081 = Walk-through (Microbus or Deluxe)
130 = Non-Sunroof Deluxe (13 or 15 Window)
24/25 - Microbus Deluxe
241 = Cargo doors right, left hand drive, full middle seat
251 = Cargo doors right, left hand drive, short middle seat
23 Window should have a chassis 1 144 281 or older
21 Window would be 1 144 282 or newer
Special bits?
Did they all have:
Jailbars?
Chrome Speedo Bezel & Ashtray?
Dash Clock?
White Steering Wheel (Any Specific Horn Button?)
Etc?
I've found most of my info from these links:
http://www.bustopia.com/vw-bus-model-descriptions.html
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/chassisdating.php
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/modelstype2.php
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turkis-deluxe
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| Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Don't forget interior and paint color combos.
Unless it has an SK paint code for single color; deluxe's are all two-tone. Interior would then be coordinated to match.
Yes to jailbars
Yes to chrome bezel and ash tray
Yes to clock
Plus:
Chrome interior handles
Earlier deluxes have chrome cargo door mechanism
Aluminum coat hooks
Chrome front emblem
Deluxe beltline and bumper trim
There is more but it's been a long day and I don't feel like walking into my garage....  |
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mastorna
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Can someone tell me what the rear corner roof sections are (come out to a 45% angle and has a hole in it?). Is that a sign of a deluxe? Was that missing from select years? http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=530326
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dawerks
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| Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:33 pm Post subject: Re: Fake 21 / 23..? |
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| angeliis814 wrote: |
Factory Belly Pans with Wiring Tube in Belly Pan (No Wiring Tabs)
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Do you have picture of this? Doesn't the wiring harness rests the same way on all buses? (Inside the passenger frame rail).
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type241
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| ^^^OOPS. Better take them belly pans off now. |
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Douglas Denlinger
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The purpose of this thread is.....???
My take....please let me know if I'm wrong.....to keep uneducated buyers from paying for a fake/clipped, 13/15, standard, kombi or for that matter a panel ??
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type241
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| Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:23 am Post subject: Speaker brackets |
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Picture from gallery. I have three deluxes with the speaker brackets.
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Scooterboyd
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Pop outs?
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Clara
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| Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:13 am Post subject: Re: Fake 21 / 23..? |
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| angeliis814 wrote: |
23 Window should have a chassis 1 144 281 or older
21 Window would be 1 144 282 or newer
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FIFY |
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angeliis814
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| Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:38 am Post subject: Re: Fake 21 / 23..? |
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| Clara wrote: |
| angeliis814 wrote: |
23 Window should have a chassis 1 144 281 or older
21 Window would be 1 144 282 or newer
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FIFY |
Thanks!
| Douglas Denlinger wrote: |
The purpose of this thread is.....???
My take....please let me know if I'm wrong.....to keep uneducated buyers from paying for a fake/clipped, 13/15, standard, kombi or for that matter a panel ?? |
Yes, basically. Tips from the seasoned vets as to what one should look for on these models.
Keep them coming! |
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dawerks
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Yup, you're right about the wiring tube angeliis814, I though you meant it was in some different location other than the passenger frame rail. Pic from another thread showing metal tube around the wiring harness. (This bus is a DD Panel, but it has the same tube as a Deluxe...).
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