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Stocknazi · Samba Member Joined: June 18, 2004 Posts: 5444

does anyone know when flat top dash tabs stopped being used?
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campingbox · Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:29 pm Post subject:

Probably around the same time the vent wing tabs changed, sometime in 1957.

BulliBill · Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:59 pm Post subject:

Has anyone ever come up with the lineage/history of the slight variances in "one-eye-ducks" ? I have a couple here with different shapes in the "mouth" area to hold the wiper blades. Also in height. It may be here already, but I didn't turn up anything in my search.

Here you can see the height difference between the two I have here...

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From the side you can see the differences in the mouth opening to hold the wiper blades.

The back-sides...

I just didn't want to duplicate it if the info is here somewhere already. Thanks!

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nigel naughton · Samba Member Joined: October 31, 2001 Posts: 122

Ok..I know it is only February but time to start thinking about summer..and summer = safaris.

So has anyone tried these yet?

they say they are 'new'!!

My windshield is cracked and I am thinking of finally just giving in and getting safaris.

http://www.eisparts.com/EIS-3040OE/Safari+Kit%2C+V...oated.html

thanks!

easy e · Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:25 am Post subject:

This has info on some various ducks:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=462315
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easy e · Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:28 pm Post subject:

I had bought some repro 55-64 pivots from a samba member & thought they were a little sloppy. In the video... see how the metal is thinner and how the repro sags when I start to depress the shaft. The reproductions I had were missing a stabilizing pin that keeps them operating tightly & wearing out prematurely due to sloppy fit.

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See vertical pin & corresponding hole, down at the lower part.

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Pacmanfever · Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:48 pm Post subject:

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easy e · Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:06 pm Post subject: 55-64 safari pivots

I've got a 55-64 pivot with a tattered shaft.
I disassembled an NOS one to get dimensions to make a new shaft & wanted to share some info. (Edit to info below: the 4.95 mm is actually 0.1955")

Next three pics just show how things are a little eccentric.

Washer goes to the top of spring & is 0.035mm thick & is almost a snug fit.
Spring:
Free length = 11mm
Compressed length = 4.5mm
Spring constant = 37 lb/in
OD = 7.05mm
Wire dia. = 0.86mm

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easy e · Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 7:06 am Post subject:

Ya, OEM... original equip. mat'l. True, it's brass/bronze & steel... still leaves plenty to be desired. Did you install & recognize an issue or just a bench top evaluation like me? I've yet to hear any feedback from installed aftermarket '55-'64 disengagers.

That lower gap is a fuzz too large on our repro disengagers. The problem is exacerbated by the loose tolerances at the pivoting arm center hole & shaft.

Might consider trying to take the roll pin out (just past the shaft & not all the way out) & putting thin bronze fender washer at the bottom of the gap you highlighted.... sandwich the bronze washer between the bracket & pivoting arm.

Could probably mock up a test with a piece of sheet metal with a shaft width slit cut out of it to test for effectiveness at taking out the slop prior to disassembly & trying to find that special washer (or thin section of a bronze round with the right size hole drilled in it).
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lumber-baron · Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 3:29 pm Post subject:

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Shane6 · Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:28 pm Post subject:

I've been running mine since christmas 2013. The first installation I couldn't get them to disengage without opening the doors, reaching one hand behind the dash and pulling the wiper out with the other hand. I've since removed them and bent the metal tab that releases the lever closer. Now one disengages pretty easily and the other it takes a little wiggling.

I would love to have a set of original ones after seeing the above video of how much better they are.
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Scotts 63 23 · Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:55 pm Post subject:

55samba · Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:01 pm Post subject:

OK my buddy brought over a set of EIS and early OG to compare and test fit.
I have personally owned and installed:
- Izzy
- Wolfgang
- NOS

Pros:
- Double channel
- We could interchange top and bottom frame with OG
- Laminated glass
- Frames appear good quality overall

Negatives:
- Hinges are mounted to high
- Hinges were not mounted even, this seems to be the fit issue
Note, they did fit but were way close on one bottom edge
- Powder coating appears low quality
- Glass was loose inside
- Hand grinding on frames is very apparent

Overall, fix the hinge and they are the best repo by far. Edit, never tried the aluminum ones since nobody seems to sell them in the states.

splitpile · Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:51 pm Post subject:

The hinge position was placed half way between a early and a late set to make them more universal. They fit tighter on the bottom on an early bus. The seals were messed up by the manufacturer.
I have had to take the frames apart and give a little tweak to square them up.
I have installed 6 sets to date, the powder coated ones seem to vary. I have had perfect and marginal ones. The primered ones I take apart and glass bead blast them, epoxy prime then paint.
Overall a good product and I'm sure the next run will be even better, they are the closest to original.
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cru62 · Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:46 pm Post subject:

WOW! Those are very nice. I don't think the average person will appreciate how difficult it is to form the raw frame material. It can take 2 dozen or more separate stations on a roll forming line to make even simple shapes. The fact that these will interchange with OG frames is huge. If EIS has their supplier address the issues mentioned above and get closer to the OG frame fit in the opening they will have a runaway hit.

I have only ever had one set of Wolfgang frames in my hands and never even tried to mount them. Of course, this was in the pre-OG latch days with the snap-off latches. I have since had 5 or 6 complete sets of OG safaris and never even entertained the thought of using WG or Izz's. I have helped others mount both of those windows in friends buses and always thought they were junk. These look like the new kid on the block is packin'!
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