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ataraxia
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| I been useing my pushbuttons in my 64 notch for the last 15 years and have no problems useing 12 volts. my wiper motor is still 6v and you just need to turn the switch to the slowest speed. |
Thanks for the input...I'd hate to roast the pushbutton assembly by overlooking something. |
Putting an old Chrysler ballast resistor inline to the wiper motor works to keep the speed sane.
Don't forget the clock. |
Got a link for that resistor?
Tach in the clock hole so I'm good there... |
http://www.partsgeek.com/gbproducts/MC/14451-07038...Mgod6FkAYw |
Thank you...where does it go in the system? Is this keeping both the pushbutton assembly and the 6 volt wiper motor or do I have to replace the wiper motor with a 12 volt unit? Trying to find the most useful, least involved method.
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Depending on which 12 volt wiper motor you're using, you might have to add a seperate switch to control the wiper speed. I did that, when I converted my 64 T-34 to 12 volts. The push button unit then just becomes an on-off switch. 
Also, IF your carbs have electric idle cut off jets, you'll need to swap them for 12 volt units. If you have the mechanical version, then you don't have to do anything with them.  |
Single speed 12volt wiper motor (unless Tram's idea works better). The car isn't going to be driven in the rain all that often...although I like your idea. 
Carbs don't have electric idle cut offs so I'm good there.  |
It goes in the power supply wire to the wiper switch. That's it- no other changes. |
Hmmm...might be worth a try for $15. |
Sure beats performing actual work in my book! Screw it to the firewall up under the dash- and if you really want to over engineer it, mount it to a heat sink first. |
If he's using the 12 volt single speed wiper motor, then he shouldn't need to install a voltage drop, should he? |
I'm exploring two options...one detailed by Tram and one detailed by you. |
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Bobnotch
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| I been useing my pushbuttons in my 64 notch for the last 15 years and have no problems useing 12 volts. my wiper motor is still 6v and you just need to turn the switch to the slowest speed. |
Thanks for the input...I'd hate to roast the pushbutton assembly by overlooking something. |
Putting an old Chrysler ballast resistor inline to the wiper motor works to keep the speed sane.
Don't forget the clock. |
Got a link for that resistor?
Tach in the clock hole so I'm good there... |
http://www.partsgeek.com/gbproducts/MC/14451-07038...Mgod6FkAYw |
Thank you...where does it go in the system? Is this keeping both the pushbutton assembly and the 6 volt wiper motor or do I have to replace the wiper motor with a 12 volt unit? Trying to find the most useful, least involved method.
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Depending on which 12 volt wiper motor you're using, you might have to add a seperate switch to control the wiper speed. I did that, when I converted my 64 T-34 to 12 volts. The push button unit then just becomes an on-off switch.
Also, IF your carbs have electric idle cut off jets, you'll need to swap them for 12 volt units. If you have the mechanical version, then you don't have to do anything with them. |
Single speed 12volt wiper motor (unless Tram's idea works better). The car isn't going to be driven in the rain all that often...although I like your idea.
Carbs don't have electric idle cut offs so I'm good there. |
It goes in the power supply wire to the wiper switch. That's it- no other changes. |
Hmmm...might be worth a try for $15. |
Sure beats performing actual work in my book! Screw it to the firewall up under the dash- and if you really want to over engineer it, mount it to a heat sink first. |
If he's using the 12 volt single speed wiper motor, then he shouldn't need to install a voltage drop, should he? |
I'm exploring two options...one detailed by Tram and one detailed by you. |
Ok, no problem.
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ataraxia
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| I been useing my pushbuttons in my 64 notch for the last 15 years and have no problems useing 12 volts. my wiper motor is still 6v and you just need to turn the switch to the slowest speed. |
Thanks for the input...I'd hate to roast the pushbutton assembly by overlooking something. |
Putting an old Chrysler ballast resistor inline to the wiper motor works to keep the speed sane.
Don't forget the clock. |
Got a link for that resistor?
Tach in the clock hole so I'm good there... |
http://www.partsgeek.com/gbproducts/MC/14451-07038...Mgod6FkAYw |
Thank you...where does it go in the system? Is this keeping both the pushbutton assembly and the 6 volt wiper motor or do I have to replace the wiper motor with a 12 volt unit? Trying to find the most useful, least involved method.
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Depending on which 12 volt wiper motor you're using, you might have to add a seperate switch to control the wiper speed. I did that, when I converted my 64 T-34 to 12 volts. The push button unit then just becomes an on-off switch.
Also, IF your carbs have electric idle cut off jets, you'll need to swap them for 12 volt units. If you have the mechanical version, then you don't have to do anything with them. |
Single speed 12volt wiper motor (unless Tram's idea works better). The car isn't going to be driven in the rain all that often...although I like your idea.
Carbs don't have electric idle cut offs so I'm good there. |
It goes in the power supply wire to the wiper switch. That's it- no other changes. |
Hmmm...might be worth a try for $15. |
Sure beats performing actual work in my book! Screw it to the firewall up under the dash- and if you really want to over engineer it, mount it to a heat sink first. |
If he's using the 12 volt single speed wiper motor, then he shouldn't need to install a voltage drop, should he? |
I'm exploring two options...one detailed by Tram and one detailed by you. |
Ok, no problem. |
I'm a glutton for punishment so I'll probably pull the 6 volt motor and replace it with the 12 volt 67 only motor and swap the assembly with a rebuilt one. I'll be swearing a lot in the process. |
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Tram
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| I been useing my pushbuttons in my 64 notch for the last 15 years and have no problems useing 12 volts. my wiper motor is still 6v and you just need to turn the switch to the slowest speed. |
Thanks for the input...I'd hate to roast the pushbutton assembly by overlooking something. |
Putting an old Chrysler ballast resistor inline to the wiper motor works to keep the speed sane.
Don't forget the clock. |
Got a link for that resistor?
Tach in the clock hole so I'm good there... |
http://www.partsgeek.com/gbproducts/MC/14451-07038...Mgod6FkAYw |
Thank you...where does it go in the system? Is this keeping both the pushbutton assembly and the 6 volt wiper motor or do I have to replace the wiper motor with a 12 volt unit? Trying to find the most useful, least involved method.
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Depending on which 12 volt wiper motor you're using, you might have to add a seperate switch to control the wiper speed. I did that, when I converted my 64 T-34 to 12 volts. The push button unit then just becomes an on-off switch.
Also, IF your carbs have electric idle cut off jets, you'll need to swap them for 12 volt units. If you have the mechanical version, then you don't have to do anything with them. |
Single speed 12volt wiper motor (unless Tram's idea works better). The car isn't going to be driven in the rain all that often...although I like your idea.
Carbs don't have electric idle cut offs so I'm good there. |
It goes in the power supply wire to the wiper switch. That's it- no other changes. |
Hmmm...might be worth a try for $15. |
Sure beats performing actual work in my book! Screw it to the firewall up under the dash- and if you really want to over engineer it, mount it to a heat sink first. |
If he's using the 12 volt single speed wiper motor, then he shouldn't need to install a voltage drop, should he? |
I'm exploring two options...one detailed by Tram and one detailed by you. |
Ok, no problem. |
I'm a glutton for punishment so I'll probably pull the 6 volt motor and replace it with the 12 volt 67 only motor and swap the assembly with a rebuilt one. I'll be swearing a lot in the process. |
 You can lead a horse to water, but...
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ataraxia
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Part of me wants to take the easy way out and just install the $15 part you listed.
The other part wants to do a 'complete' conversion and not leave one f***ing 6 volt part in the dash because I'm being lazy. Everything else will be changed to 12 volt, why leave one thing?
I also happen to like busted knuckles and swearing.
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Erik G
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I'm lazy. with a pushbutton dash, just set it on low lol. I even stick with the 6v starter
then again, I'm so lazy, I havent swapped a type 3 (or any vw actually) from 6 to 12v in probably 12 years. I never want to change the damn shroud, as that involves the damn bellows and I try to avoid that nonsense at all costs lol. Thats why I had been asking about the alternator swap and do they fit the 6v shrouds without cutting them... |
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ataraxia
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I'm lazy. with a pushbutton dash, just set it on low lol. I even stick with the 6v starter
then again, I'm so lazy, I havent swapped a type 3 (or any vw actually) from 6 to 12v in probably 12 years. I never want to change the damn shroud, as that involves the damn bellows and I try to avoid that nonsense at all costs lol. Thats why I had been asking about the alternator swap and do they fit the 6v shrouds without cutting them... |
I'd be inclined to agree if the shroud on my car wasn't already a 12 volt shroud. The black tin pulley cover isn't but that's easy to change.
I ran my old 65 on a 6 volt starter for years...but now I've got the right starter so I might as well use it. |
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Bobnotch
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I'm a glutton for punishment so I'll probably pull the 6 volt motor and replace it with the 12 volt 67 only motor and swap the assembly with a rebuilt one. I'll be swearing a lot in the process. |
Well, if you swap it all over (wiper transmission too), then you'll know you shouldn't have any issues with it. I only say that, as it'll give you an excuse to clean and lube the wiper arm shafts.
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To 'one up' myself, I'm looking to add 4 way flashers to the 12 volt conversion.
I'm planning to use the 2 lead emergency flasher switch like this:
So now the questions:
1. Without doing much investigation, I'm guessing it's an 'on/off' type switch with a lighted knob, correct? I have the knob not shown in the photo.
2. Can this switch be used with the pushbutton dash without hacking the shit out of the wiring?
3. How should it be wired?
4. Which electronic flasher should I use? 3 terminal, 4 terminal or 5 terminal?
5. What changes if I split the green indicators in the dash gauge so they only show the direction of signal? I'm going to add a spade to the instrument and wire from the column since that's the last place they're split. Hazards would obviously need to illuminate both sides.
How can I make this any more complex?
This is the wiring diagram I think I need to follow since it shows the switch I intend to use...but not the flasher.
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Tram
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To 'one up' myself, I'm looking to add 4 way flashers to the 12 volt conversion.
I'm planning to use the 2 lead emergency flasher switch like this:
So now the questions:
1. Without doing much investigation, I'm guessing it's an 'on/off' type switch with a lighted knob, correct? I have the knob not shown in the photo.
2. Can this switch be used with the pushbutton dash without hacking the shit out of the wiring?
3. How should it be wired?
4. Which electronic flasher should I use? 3 terminal, 4 terminal or 5 terminal?
5. What changes if I split the green indicators in the dash gauge so they only show the direction of signal? I'm going to add a spade to the instrument and wire from the column since that's the last place they're split. Hazards would obviously need to illuminate both sides.
How can I make this any more complex?
This is the wiring diagram I think I need to follow since it shows the switch I intend to use...but not the flasher.
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Your posts make me tired.
Just convert the whole shebang over to the late lighted 1973 style flasher switch and 3 wire flasher and wire it up per Bentley. The flasher and signals have nothing to do with the push button.
Either that or just keep some road flares and Ohio Blue Tips in the damn frunk.
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ataraxia
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Your posts make me tired.
Just convert the whole shebang over to the late lighted 1973 style flasher switch and 3 wire flasher and wire it up per Bentley. The flasher and signals have nothing to do with the push button.
Either that or just keep some road flares and Ohio Blue Tips in the damn frunk. |
I'll check out the late wiring diagram.
I own early cars...what the hell would I do with a late Bentley? |
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Tram
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Your posts make me tired.
Just convert the whole shebang over to the late lighted 1973 style flasher switch and 3 wire flasher and wire it up per Bentley. The flasher and signals have nothing to do with the push button.
Either that or just keep some road flares and Ohio Blue Tips in the damn frunk. |
I'll check out the late wiring diagram.
I own early cars...what the hell would I do with a late Bentley? |
Ummm... I don't know... wire late parts into your early cars with it? 
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| Just my hands. And a little lube. No tools. |
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ataraxia
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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Your posts make me tired.
Just convert the whole shebang over to the late lighted 1973 style flasher switch and 3 wire flasher and wire it up per Bentley. The flasher and signals have nothing to do with the push button.
Either that or just keep some road flares and Ohio Blue Tips in the damn frunk. |
I'll check out the late wiring diagram.
I own early cars...what the hell would I do with a late Bentley? |
Ummm... I don't know... wire late parts into your early cars with it? |
I can't believe I left the door open for that comment... |
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So far, so good...the conversion has been fairly uneventful.
I'm waiting for a 9 pin flasher box to arrive before I can close it all up. If I wind up using LEDs in the turn signals, I'll add in line resisters. For now, they're incandescent filament bulbs.
I should be able to start this car under 12 volt power by the weekend. |
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ataraxia
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Finally got this all buttoned up.
I skipped the 4 way flashers for now in the spirit of simplicity.
Everything works perfectly. I learned the hard way that if I don't ground the wiper motor, there's no way to shut it off. 
It's all 12 volt parts except the fuel gauge (still 6 volt) but it works perfectly.
Here's how I did the relay installation:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=527210&start=22
I'm now back to screwing with carb adjustments and getting the brakes to function properly. |
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