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busdaddy Samba Member

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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 9:55 am Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... |
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mattlockwood wrote: |
But it's both blinkers on the dash blinking now, whether I do left or right turn signal  |
You mean to say they blinked independantly before? _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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mattlockwood Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 11:39 am Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... |
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Ha! I've never actually driven a bus. So this is correct then?
Problem solved. 😄 _________________ 1970 Bay Window Bus.
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busdaddy Samba Member

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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... |
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Cool, yes the arrows both blink, VW figured you were smart enough to know which way you had pushed the lever. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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Tcash Samba Member

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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 3:12 pm Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... |
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busdaddy wrote: |
Cool, yes the arrows both blink, VW figured you were smart enough to know which way you had pushed the lever. |
Why put two arrows then? I think the electrical engineers dropped the ball on this one!
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busdaddy Samba Member

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Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... |
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Tcash wrote: |
busdaddy wrote: |
Cool, yes the arrows both blink, VW figured you were smart enough to know which way you had pushed the lever. |
Why put two arrows then? I think the electrical engineers dropped the ball on this one!
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Only the most deluxe models got 2 arrows, lesser models like the beetle got a single light.
Can you blame the engineers?, or perhaps the bean counters are to blame? saved almost 1/2 meter of different colored wire and ~ 4 seconds of assembly time by keeping it simple, ka-ching!
Although alot of European cars and most motorcycles only had one dash light anyways so maybe separating them never even crossed thier minds? _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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NASkeet Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2006 Posts: 3205 Location: South Benfleet, Essex, UK
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 8:27 am Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... |
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busdaddy wrote: |
Tcash wrote: |
busdaddy wrote: |
Cool, yes the arrows both blink, VW figured you were smart enough to know which way you had pushed the lever. |
Why put two arrows then? I think the electrical engineers dropped the ball on this one!
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Only the most deluxe models got 2 arrows, lesser models like the beetle got a single light.
Can you blame the engineers?, or perhaps the bean counters are to blame? saved almost 1/2 meter of different colored wire and ~ 4 seconds of assembly time by keeping it simple, ka-ching!
Although alot of European cars and most motorcycles only had one dash light anyways so maybe separating them never even crossed thier minds? |
Both my British specification 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan (based on the Kombi) and 1974 Triumph Toledo 1300 saloon car have two direction-indicator warning lights. I had to modify the electrical circuit on the VW Type 2, so that the two green warning-light arrows flashed independently of each other, indicating in which direction one was intending to turn.
Here are a couple of topic threads which might interest you:
Forum Index > Bay Window Bus > Independent direction-indicator warning light upgrade
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=259622
Forum Index > Bay Window Bus > 1970 VW Type 2, 4-terminal flasher, terminal configuration?
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=262907 _________________ Regards.
Nigel A. Skeet
Independent tutor (semi-retired) of mathematics, physics, technology & engineering for secondary, tertiary, further & higher education.
Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
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airschooled Air-Schooled

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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 9:03 am Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... |
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The cheapening out of the late bays included a fancy single light indicator for the turn indicators.
Bean counters.....
Robbie _________________ One-on-one tech help for your vintage Volkswagen:
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chabanais Samba Member

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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 9:39 am Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... |
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At times like this it pays to start on the last page first. _________________ "I spud therefore I yam." |
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NASkeet Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2006 Posts: 3205 Location: South Benfleet, Essex, UK
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 5:59 am Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... |
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asiab3 wrote: |
The cheapening out of the late bays included a fancy single light indicator for the turn indicators.
Bean counters.....
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I concur!
There were many essential or useful features that were omitted from most if not all British specification VW Type 2s, including:
heated rear window
reversing lights
padded dashboards
side-marker lights & reflectors
ventilation booster fans
brake servo assistance
quartz-halogen headlamps
self-deploying, sliding-door-associated passenger step _________________ Regards.
Nigel A. Skeet
Independent tutor (semi-retired) of mathematics, physics, technology & engineering for secondary, tertiary, further & higher education.
Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
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mattlockwood Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever...Part Duex |
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Ok, so, messing around behind the dash again (why, oh why do I ever do that??!) and here's what Ive got:
Step on the brake, the parking light indicator comes on.. brakes and brake lights work as they should
Flasher and indicators work as they always have with my aftermarket relay (originally had a 4 prong), but when the bus is running, the flasher switch blinks verrrrry slowly, and no indicators on the dash.
A bad ground (always seems to be that) or Maybe need a new relay? _________________ 1970 Bay Window Bus.
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basic_bear Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2013 Posts: 61 Location: Sudbury, Ontario
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:02 am Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... |
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I had a similar issue with my 68 panel; the right hand signal lights worked fine--both lamps and arrow indicators on dash flashed; the emergency flasher worked as well. However the left hand signals only worked on the lamps and not the indicators on the dash.
I removed the flasher relay and cleaned--made no difference. I removed and cleaned the rear left bulb and housing; made no difference. Then removed the light covers on both rear lights and the problem extended to both the right and left signal--they worked at the lamps but not at the dash indicators- with the right lens installed and a wire from the casing of the left, everything worked perfectly-the drawing for 68 shows side marker lights in the rear that don't exists with this model, also with these marker lights is a ground; which also grounds the tail light housing. Without this ground I believe the rear housing is ground through the lens cover screws. There is a rubber seal that is between the casing and the body panel.
_________________ 1958 Panel, Dove Blue
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busdaddy Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:20 am Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... |
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basic_bear wrote: |
........ Without this ground I believe the rear housing is ground through the lens cover screws. There is a rubber seal that is between the casing and the body panel. |
Splitbus and likely early 68 as well had a small V shaped metal tab riveted to the edge of the housing that stabbed through the rubber and touched the body, made for speedy work on the production line but only lasted until just after the warranty expired. Later bays used a ground terminal riveted to the housing that had a wire attached which screwed to the angled brace at the base of the decklid opening. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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basic_bear Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:23 am Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... |
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thanks busdaddy, it is remarkable that one person has so much knowledge. It is appreciated. As it turns out all my recent electrical problems with the dimmer relay, horn and flasher relay were ultimately poor grounds. _________________ 1958 Panel, Dove Blue
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mattlockwood Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 6:55 am Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... |
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busdaddy wrote: |
Ahhhh...., thanks for adding that, so many different signal circuits it's impossible to cover issues with a blanket fix. Start by counting the terminals on your flasher, if it's the OG one it likely has 4, if it's a replacement it's probably got 2 or 3, Kbl needs to be piggybacked on 49a if it has less than 4, or your OG 4 terminal relay has issues internally.
All this assumes your fuel gauge and idiot lights work normally. |
Would like to update this thread-
Turn ignition key 1 click to the right AND headlight switch pulled out 1 click, I get:
Green parking light (as I should), and if I step on the brakes get oil and gen light and my flasher relay clicks
Turn ign key 2 clicks, with the light switch off:
Oil and gen lights (as I should) , and if I step on the brakes , I get the instrument backlighting, dimly.
I have Previously replaceD the flasher relay with kbl piggybacked on 49a.
Any help would be appreciated. _________________ 1970 Bay Window Bus.
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busdaddy Samba Member

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Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 7:53 am Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... |
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You may have a wire crossed or a wrong bulb in one of the fixtures, running light power shouldn't be backfeeding into the brake circuit (also powers signals and idiot lights). Could be in either the front or rear fixtures, maybe start by disconnecting all 4 and if it goes away reconnect them one at a time. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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mattlockwood Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... |
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Nailed it again BD. It was the taillight. _________________ 1970 Bay Window Bus.
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