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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 9:55 am    Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... Reply with quote

mattlockwood wrote:
But it's both blinkers on the dash blinking now, whether I do left or right turn signal Smile

You mean to say they blinked independantly before?
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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 11:39 am    Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... Reply with quote

Ha! I've never actually driven a bus. So this is correct then?

Problem solved. 😄
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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 12:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... Reply with quote

Cool, yes the arrows both blink, VW figured you were smart enough to know which way you had pushed the lever.
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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 3:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... Reply with quote

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Cool, yes the arrows both blink, VW figured you were smart enough to know which way you had pushed the lever.

Why put two arrows then? I think the electrical engineers dropped the ball on this one!
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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... Reply with quote

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Cool, yes the arrows both blink, VW figured you were smart enough to know which way you had pushed the lever.

Why put two arrows then? I think the electrical engineers dropped the ball on this one!
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Only the most deluxe models got 2 arrows, lesser models like the beetle got a single light.

Can you blame the engineers?, or perhaps the bean counters are to blame? saved almost 1/2 meter of different colored wire and ~ 4 seconds of assembly time by keeping it simple, ka-ching!

Although alot of European cars and most motorcycles only had one dash light anyways so maybe separating them never even crossed thier minds?
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 8:27 am    Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... Reply with quote

busdaddy wrote:
Tcash wrote:
busdaddy wrote:
Cool, yes the arrows both blink, VW figured you were smart enough to know which way you had pushed the lever.

Why put two arrows then? I think the electrical engineers dropped the ball on this one!
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Only the most deluxe models got 2 arrows, lesser models like the beetle got a single light.

Can you blame the engineers?, or perhaps the bean counters are to blame? saved almost 1/2 meter of different colored wire and ~ 4 seconds of assembly time by keeping it simple, ka-ching!

Although alot of European cars and most motorcycles only had one dash light anyways so maybe separating them never even crossed thier minds?


Both my British specification 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan (based on the Kombi) and 1974 Triumph Toledo 1300 saloon car have two direction-indicator warning lights. I had to modify the electrical circuit on the VW Type 2, so that the two green warning-light arrows flashed independently of each other, indicating in which direction one was intending to turn.

Here are a couple of topic threads which might interest you:

Forum Index > Bay Window Bus > Independent direction-indicator warning light upgrade

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=259622

Forum Index > Bay Window Bus > 1970 VW Type 2, 4-terminal flasher, terminal configuration?

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=262907
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 9:03 am    Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... Reply with quote

The cheapening out of the late bays included a fancy single light indicator for the turn indicators.

Bean counters..... Think
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 9:39 am    Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... Reply with quote

At times like this it pays to start on the last page first.
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2016 5:59 am    Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... Reply with quote

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The cheapening out of the late bays included a fancy single light indicator for the turn indicators.

Bean counters..... Think
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I concur! Shocked Sad

There were many essential or useful features that were omitted from most if not all British specification VW Type 2s, including:

heated rear window
reversing lights
padded dashboards
side-marker lights & reflectors
ventilation booster fans
brake servo assistance
quartz-halogen headlamps
self-deploying, sliding-door-associated passenger step
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever...Part Duex Reply with quote

Ok, so, messing around behind the dash again (why, oh why do I ever do that??!) and here's what Ive got:

Step on the brake, the parking light indicator comes on.. brakes and brake lights work as they should

Flasher and indicators work as they always have with my aftermarket relay (originally had a 4 prong), but when the bus is running, the flasher switch blinks verrrrry slowly, and no indicators on the dash.

A bad ground (always seems to be that) or Maybe need a new relay?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:02 am    Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... Reply with quote

I had a similar issue with my 68 panel; the right hand signal lights worked fine--both lamps and arrow indicators on dash flashed; the emergency flasher worked as well. However the left hand signals only worked on the lamps and not the indicators on the dash.
I removed the flasher relay and cleaned--made no difference. I removed and cleaned the rear left bulb and housing; made no difference. Then removed the light covers on both rear lights and the problem extended to both the right and left signal--they worked at the lamps but not at the dash indicators- with the right lens installed and a wire from the casing of the left, everything worked perfectly-the drawing for 68 shows side marker lights in the rear that don't exists with this model, also with these marker lights is a ground; which also grounds the tail light housing. Without this ground I believe the rear housing is ground through the lens cover screws. There is a rubber seal that is between the casing and the body panel.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:20 am    Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... Reply with quote

basic_bear wrote:
........ Without this ground I believe the rear housing is ground through the lens cover screws. There is a rubber seal that is between the casing and the body panel.

Splitbus and likely early 68 as well had a small V shaped metal tab riveted to the edge of the housing that stabbed through the rubber and touched the body, made for speedy work on the production line but only lasted until just after the warranty expired. Later bays used a ground terminal riveted to the housing that had a wire attached which screwed to the angled brace at the base of the decklid opening.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:23 am    Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... Reply with quote

thanks busdaddy, it is remarkable that one person has so much knowledge. It is appreciated. As it turns out all my recent electrical problems with the dimmer relay, horn and flasher relay were ultimately poor grounds.
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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2020 6:55 am    Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... Reply with quote

busdaddy wrote:
Ahhhh...., thanks for adding that, so many different signal circuits it's impossible to cover issues with a blanket fix. Start by counting the terminals on your flasher, if it's the OG one it likely has 4, if it's a replacement it's probably got 2 or 3, Kbl needs to be piggybacked on 49a if it has less than 4, or your OG 4 terminal relay has issues internally.

All this assumes your fuel gauge and idiot lights work normally.


Would like to update this thread-

Turn ignition key 1 click to the right AND headlight switch pulled out 1 click, I get:
Green parking light (as I should), and if I step on the brakes get oil and gen light and my flasher relay clicks

Turn ign key 2 clicks, with the light switch off:
Oil and gen lights (as I should) , and if I step on the brakes , I get the instrument backlighting, dimly.

I have Previously replaceD the flasher relay with kbl piggybacked on 49a.

Any help would be appreciated.
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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2020 7:53 am    Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... Reply with quote

You may have a wire crossed or a wrong bulb in one of the fixtures, running light power shouldn't be backfeeding into the brake circuit (also powers signals and idiot lights). Could be in either the front or rear fixtures, maybe start by disconnecting all 4 and if it goes away reconnect them one at a time.
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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2020 8:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Wierdest turn signal issue ever... Reply with quote

Nailed it again BD. It was the taillight.
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