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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:23 am    Post subject: Re: 1944 VW type 82e on Ebay Reply with quote

looks like they tried to copy the interior from this vert.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:34 am    Post subject: Re: 1944 VW type 82e on Ebay Reply with quote

56Cabrio wrote:
looks like they tried to copy the interior from this vert.
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Yep and they were pretty close too. Blew it on the door panels though.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:35 am    Post subject: Re: 1944 VW type 82e on Ebay Reply with quote

are you sure this is the same car? i only ask because the VIN plate is misding in these photos, and in the new photos it is there and looks OG; also the rust/rot in the lower drivers threshold area is not evident. Also almost none of the interior paint looks the same. Jesse "claims" most of the interior paint is original. Also in the old photos the car doesnt appear to have the 82E running gear. the stance is more like standard beetle. And seller claims all running gear is original to the car, not just "correct" for the car.
someone else in this thread also mentioned that the car used to be blue in that same person had another 43 KDF I think that was green and white, so to me it seems like this is the green and white kdf, not the 82E...?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:39 am    Post subject: Re: 1944 VW type 82e on Ebay Reply with quote

actually i see that VWMiester mentioned having pics of the tunnel VIN, so if thats the case, i guess that would confirm its same car. just can't quite understand why it doesn't look like it has the 82E running here in these photos. seller also says all the original panels are original to the car not just correct if it had all the vendors before obviously that is not the case.
of course it could just be a simple confusion with terminology meeting correct for the car or THEE original parts to the car.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:19 am    Post subject: Re: 1944 VW type 82e on Ebay Reply with quote

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Very odd speedo. Looks like someone kept the original glass and cogwheel plate but fitted a smaller modern speedo with trip odometer. The other dash pod has a pretty cool homemade plate. Looks like it had two gauges and probably a radio at one point that had been replaced with a clock.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:31 am    Post subject: Re: 1944 VW type 82e on Ebay Reply with quote

The heater boxes look like late 36hp, with fold-over tabs to keep the halves together....not "100% KDF parts". Nice car though.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:07 am    Post subject: Re: 1944 VW type 82e on Ebay Reply with quote

Joe 20 wrote:
Anybody notice the 1944 type 82e on Ebay for $525,000? Wow...

eBay item number:122398293887

http://www.ebay.com/itm/122398293887


Price is likely correct for the vehicle. Unfortunate thing is this price will put the vehicle out of the reach of museums, meaning it will remain in a private collection and we will likely never see it.

Maybe all the VW nuts out there could put together a collection, raise the funds and then donate it to a museum somewhere? I for one would donate to such a fund, as long as there was an assurance that the vehicle would remain in a museum for all time, to be enjoyed by future generations to come.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:14 am    Post subject: Re: 1944 VW type 82e on Ebay Reply with quote

The auction was just pulled. Found a buyer or the discussion about the car was a problem?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:17 am    Post subject: Re: 1944 VW type 82e on Ebay Reply with quote

Telephunken wrote:
actually i see that VWMiester mentioned having pics of the tunnel VIN, so if thats the case, i guess that would confirm its same car. just can't quite understand why it doesn't look like it has the 82E running here in these photos. seller also says all the original panels are original to the car not just correct if it had all the vendors before obviously that is not the case.
of course it could just be a simple confusion with terminology meeting correct for the car or THEE original parts to the car.


It does appear that the ride height was of a normal sedan in the old pictures. It could have been converted to standard suspension and then converted back to 82e specs at some point.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:55 am    Post subject: Re: 1944 VW type 82e on Ebay Reply with quote

So where did the horn button go?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:13 pm    Post subject: Re: 1944 VW type 82e on Ebay Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:15 pm    Post subject: Re: 1944 VW type 82e on Ebay Reply with quote

These photos show the vin on the tunnel and the engine so there can be no confusion that it's the same car.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:55 pm    Post subject: Re: 1944 VW type 82e on Ebay Reply with quote

DDub wrote:
So where did the horn button go?


Into the glove box.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:00 pm    Post subject: Re: 1944 VW type 82e on Ebay Reply with quote

i doubt Jesse is paying mych attention to our little thread anout his car. If the auction was pulled, I bet he either got an offer he is willing to accept or maybe a bug auction house contacted him about listing it for him. I would guess an offer. hope info pops up somewhere so we will know what happened....
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:33 pm    Post subject: Re: 1944 VW type 82e on Ebay Reply with quote

It shows that eBay pulled the listing, not the seller.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:56 pm    Post subject: Re: 1944 VW type 82e on Ebay Reply with quote

^^^
Correct. The seller didn't end the listing, eBay removed it entirely. If it had been ended by the seller the closed listing would stay up for a couple of months and could be accessed. It's gone altogether so eBay must have decided it violated their TOS.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:14 pm    Post subject: Re: 1944 VW type 82e on Ebay Reply with quote

probably. it wasnt "PC" because of its ties to a nazi....
just silly.....
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:26 pm    Post subject: Re: 1944 VW type 82e on Ebay Reply with quote

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According to Ulrich von Pidoll (VW Käfer, Ein Auto schreibt Geschichte) it is the same car. It was stolen in 1944 in Paris and owned by the same French printer registered first under I604RP1 and then from 21.3.1955 under 796DW-75 until his death in 1991. It was sold on 17.10.1991 in a public auction and purchased by Jack Morel, a known VW collector. He paid 18 195 francs for it. That is about 2774 Euros or $2987. Jacky Morel most likely located the missing parts and did the light restoration. The engine is original but many parts were replaced during the 46 year ownership when car was a daily driver. Many parts still must be the originals, perhaps came with car as front axle is still the original 5-35441. It could have had lower Beetle spindles however.

It was imported in 2002 to the US by Bruce Braun in Kansas City and he bought it from Switzerland and had to sell a prized 1956 Porsche Speedster to fund the purchase. At the time it was already in it's current condition. He later apparently sold it to Jesse James. Still an amazing car in amazing condition and an amazing rise in value/price from $3000 to $525,000 in just 26 years. The asking price however does not reflect the current value and the price tag has a "Göring" addition to it although Hermann Göring personnally has nothing to do with the car, it was just one of dozens of cars delivered to his staff and dispatched to an office in Paris.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:33 am    Post subject: Re: 1944 VW type 82e on Ebay Reply with quote

Hello Guys, I was sure that this ad will open to many comments...This is what I sent to the seller....
I am the guy that took this car of the darkside in 1991. First, it doesn’t come from Germany but was in Paris in 1944 because it is one of the 4 KdF delivered to Herman Goering’s office. In august 1944, a french guy from underground killed the driver and stole the car. I knew the story by a good friend of the owner. That’s why this car has the original key that open driver door, hood and also starts the engine. This guy keeped the car for all his life until his death with no heritier. The car was then sold by auction and I bought it. Two months after, I was able to buy all the VW stuff left in his garage including all the missing parts of the car. Because it had been modified by the owner during his life. First, after a light front crash before 1950, the front was modified and the hood was changed. Under the hood, a flat part was riveted in the place of the two ears that are normally on each side of all KdF. In this change, the original chassis plate and the body number were lost. And the right fender was also lost. You will notice that the left is different. On the side it comes down deeper and the shape of the headlight support is more round. At this time, the car was painted two tone : light grey and green. That the light grey you can see inside, over the sand color that appears at some spots.
In the crash, the original left spindle was bent too. So the owner decided to lower the car and put two normal spindles form a Type 1. For the rear, he decided to swap the original gearbox by one from a type 1 so the car looked more like a type 60 or type 1 than an 82 e.
In the pile of parts I’ve got after the auction, I found the original bent spindle, the original hood with the original VW KdF logo and the original lock differential. The rest of the gearbox was missing so I had to buy a spindle and a complete gearbox with reduction boxes from a type 82. The bent hood was fixed by Carrosserie Lecocq in Paris. The bent spindle showed me that they were specially made for type 82 e because it bears a number starting by 5. I still have it.
After that, to show the car at Retromobile in Paris, I painted it very fast in sand color. The interior of this car was originally sand but the chassis, front end, gas tank were felgrau. At some time on its life, a stupid guy decided to paint the chassis in black. Same for the original engine that had originally black tins and not sand. The air filter is really specific for the 82 e. The chrome bumpers have not to be painted because some of these cars, delivered to high level people were a little different and more luxury. All the handles are chromed from day one. They are the original handles that went with the car and there is no reason why the french guy chromed them. But the rear tailights should be painted sand not chromed.
The glove box are in metal and very rare. In the parts, I also found the KdF embossed plate that was normally screw instead of the radio. It is a very rare and is valuable part as the aluminium logo on the hood. The horn was absolutly complet when I sold the car and some german KdF specialist even came to see how it worked to make the same on his car ! So where is the horn cap ?
I agree to say that it is probably one of the five most original Kdf still alive. It is a pity that some « specialists » made mistakes like engine tin color, chassis color. More questions ?

Regarding the seats, you are right. When I've got the car, they were two tone vinyl like the car : grey and green. I had them painted black with a special paint.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:44 am    Post subject: Re: 1944 VW type 82e on Ebay Reply with quote

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I took these pics just after the auction sale. This is exactly as it was when I've got it. The first VW Cal Look ever including T bars !
It was advertise as a 46 model because it was not registered before ! Nobody knew anything about KdF at this time. I was the first to spend 3 full days in the VW archives with my wife Cathy, to hand write all chassis, engine numbers, production dates and delivery, name of owner of the 1200 and so KdF made during war time. This because I didn't want to hurt the original VW books that had never been opened flat.. Dc Pidoll did the same some years after me but as a german, he had the permission to photocopy all the books in which you have also 40 000 Type 82 because the KdF were built in the same sequence !
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