Glow plug relay wiring

[Gizmoman]

Can someone tell me which wires go the glow plug relay.
I have the Bentley but it doesn't go to that level of detail (unless I'm missing something) Here's a pic of the socket with each connection port labeled 1 thru 9

I labeled the socket using painters tape but by the time I got all the connectors out, I couldn't read all of the labels

Any help would be much appreciated
Jim
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82 Vanagon Westy - AAZ 1.9 TD, HE200 Holset, WAIC, 27.75 dia tires, Electric power steering, 5-speed AAP w/.078 5th
Oversize spare carrier - stock location (no longer for sale).

[Gnarlodious]

Where is the relay located? I've had my van for 16 years and never uncovered it.
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Vanagon ’83 diesel AAZ w/Giles injection, 5spd 4.57R&P+TBD and a '78 diesel Rabbit

[crazyvwvanman]

In 82 diesels it is mounted in the engine compartment, visible on the firewall.
In 83 diesels it is out of sight in the engine compartment wiring box.

The Bentley diagrams don't have the socket pin numbers but they do have the relay pin numbers. Just use those.

Mark

[Vanagon Nut]

[?Waldo?]

This is from the Mk2 Golf/Jetta Bentley. Vanagon pinout is the same.

[Zeitgeist 13]

That's the diagram I used to wire up my relay. I still haven't got a temp sender wired in yet, but I'm assuming it's actually just a thermal switch that grounds that T-terminal when it reaches operating temps. So, without the switch the relay just cycles through its complete timed interval every time it's triggered--correct?
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[Gizmoman]

Thanks for all the great responses gentlemen. This should be enough info to get the few remaining wires where they belong.

Believe it or not, this all started with blinker fuse blowing periodically which has only bgun recently.

I was trying to figue out where the issue was and using a jumper to ground - key off. I was distracted and didn't get back to the job till later and forgot where I was - turn the key on - huge mistake!

Anyhoo, I'm gettingthe melted wire out ofthe loom and moving on.

Thanks again,

Jim
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82 Vanagon Westy - AAZ 1.9 TD, HE200 Holset, WAIC, 27.75 dia tires, Electric power steering, 5-speed AAP w/.078 5th
Oversize spare carrier - stock location (no longer for sale).

[jkallo]

[crazyvwvanman]

Don't confuse the glow light turning off with the glow plugs turning off. The glow plugs can stay on after the light goes off.

Mark

[?Waldo?]

...and the light can also turn on but power not go to the glow plugs. The light and glow plug power circuits are independent of each other.

[jkallo]

[Gnarlodious]

If you have a voltmeter installed you can see when the glow plugs switch off. If you listen hard and it is quiet you can hear the relay clunk somewhere in the back.
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Vanagon ’83 diesel AAZ w/Giles injection, 5spd 4.57R&P+TBD and a '78 diesel Rabbit

[Jeffrey Lee]

^^ Those ^^ are some good suggestions for everyday use.

Once, when trying to observe a potentially wonky glow relay, I temporarily connected a 12v test bulb to the glow buss bar and a good ground. I dangled the light bulb from the overhead Westy cabinet where I could keep an eye on it from the rear-view mirror while I drove, until I was satisfied it was working correctly.
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[Vanagon Nut]

as a last resort, buy an 87/87a relay socket (has 5 wires), remove those wires, use them. They should fit (lock into) the VW relay block. Double check wire gauges but its likely that at "worst", some new wires will be a larger gauge than the OEM wire you'd connect them to. But do check gauge on 87/30 wires that supply power to glow plugs.
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[Vanagon Nut]

guess I should've included a quote in my reply. Not sure what happened to Gizmomans post but I was replying to his request about solutions for new terminals to the glow plug relay.

Neil.
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1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA

1988 West DIY 50º ABA

VE7TBN

[Gizmoman]

So sorry Neil, I thought I was fast enough do delete it before anybody read it.

Right after I posted, I found the 2.5 mm connectors on Amazon for 6 bucks - 20 males and 20 females. Ill have em tomorrow.

Possibly you had some other pertinent info I missed and apologize for the delete.

Jim
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82 Vanagon Westy - AAZ 1.9 TD, HE200 Holset, WAIC, 27.75 dia tires, Electric power steering, 5-speed AAP w/.078 5th
Oversize spare carrier - stock location (no longer for sale).

[Vanagon Nut]

^^

no no. NO problem.

If I recall, there is a specific crimp tool for those terminals but i'd think for what is a relatively "non mission critical" thing, I'm sure you'll figure a way to crimp on those terminals. Heck. You could even solder them too.

Neil.
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1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA

1988 West DIY 50º ABA

VE7TBN

[Gizmoman]

Thanks Neil, Yes, I will be crimping and soldering and heat shrinking as well.

In the post I deleted, I mentioned that the two wires to the reverse lights had come off and were dangling between the frame and the transmission. I wonder if the exposed terminal ends touched anything it would blow the turn signal fuse. Honestly I think this may have been the issue and would appreciate anyone's thoughts.

Two of the new 2.5 mm terminals will be going there as well. What I had was a bit rube-Goldberg.

Jim
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82 Vanagon Westy - AAZ 1.9 TD, HE200 Holset, WAIC, 27.75 dia tires, Electric power steering, 5-speed AAP w/.078 5th
Oversize spare carrier - stock location (no longer for sale).

[Vanagon Nut]