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DONGKG
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DONGKG
The Araneta Boys
Joined: August 28, 2006
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Location: Cainta, Rizal, Philippines, "A Certified Type 3 and Karmann Ghia Maniac"
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| From a purist's standpoint the 356's are really cool and I think they are beautiful cars, especially the 356 SC and speedsters. I have a 73 ghia convert with 150 HP dynoed HP that will outperform a 356 in every aspect. I have a lot of money in it though but I built it. It's a blast to blow the 356's and a lot of 911's off the road. It really surprises them. There is a real cool factor with a ghia. Most people under 50 don't know WTF it is and most think it's a porsche. A while back I pulled along side a guy I know (big time lawyer) with a 60's XKE convertible all redone and a very nice car. (he paid a lot to have it built) We jumped on it together at 55 and I left him in the dust (nice having a Berg 5). First words out of his mouth, " You got a porsche engine in that VW?" I laughed really hard. He couldn't believe it was a VW and probably still doesn't, priceless! |
thats awesome. With the looks of a karmann ghia and the potential of a vw beefed up engine, you wont go wrong on a karmann ghia.
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Mellow Yellow 74
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| Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:25 am Post subject: Re: Karmann Ghia versus Porsche: You be the Judge |
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Dong is picking up from his last post after 8 years - lol
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DONGKG
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Joined: August 28, 2006
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Location: Cainta, Rizal, Philippines, "A Certified Type 3 and Karmann Ghia Maniac"
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| Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: Karmann Ghia versus Porsche: You be the Judge |
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| Mellow Yellow 74 wrote: |
| Dong is picking up from his last post after 8 years - lol |
Dong is picking up from his last post after 8 years - lol[/quote] It may looked like that, but, not really. I was just reviewing the other day this thread and it so happened that there has been a great comparison between Karmann Ghias and 356 Porsches (and that is pretty obvious), and even if this thread will not pick up, it is perfectly fine. 
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stanthedog
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: Karmann Ghia versus Porsche: You be the Judge |
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The only truly quick and fast 356 I've ever seen had a t-1 motor in it.
That porsche snobbery even extends to the 914, porsche snobs really hate hate them. I have a KG vert and a 914 and get nothing from REAL PORSCHE owners. |
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CiderGuy
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: Karmann Ghia versus Porsche: You be the Judge |
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Two days ago in Bucks county, Pa. I saw a 356 convertible. Cream colored, it was a pretty car. Any type of car like that is very rare around here.
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:01 pm Post subject: Re: Karmann Ghia versus Porsche: You be the Judge |
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356s are not that fast they topped out at 105hp stock, but you will not out handle a B or C car with a Ghia, they simply lack the rigidity a 356 has and I have owned both. Both are great cars they were just built for different purposes.
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CiderGuy
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| Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:29 pm Post subject: Re: Karmann Ghia versus Porsche: You be the Judge |
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| 356s are not that fast they topped out at 105hp stock, but you will not out handle a B or C car with a Ghia, they simply lack the rigidity a 356 has and I have owned both. Both are great cars they were just built for different purposes. |
Please explain how a 356 is more rigid then a Ghia ? I'm not sure I am buying into that.
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Era Vulgaris
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| Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:45 am Post subject: Re: Karmann Ghia versus Porsche: You be the Judge |
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| Braukuche wrote: |
| 356s are not that fast they topped out at 105hp stock, but you will not out handle a B or C car with a Ghia, they simply lack the rigidity a 356 has and I have owned both. Both are great cars they were just built for different purposes. |
Please explain how a 356 is more rigid then a Ghia ? I'm not sure I am buying into that. |
356 is a proper unibody. It'll always be more rigid than a body-on-frame car.
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:42 am Post subject: Re: Karmann Ghia versus Porsche: You be the Judge |
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| CiderGuy wrote: |
| Braukuche wrote: |
| 356s are not that fast they topped out at 105hp stock, but you will not out handle a B or C car with a Ghia, they simply lack the rigidity a 356 has and I have owned both. Both are great cars they were just built for different purposes. |
Please explain how a 356 is more rigid then a Ghia ? I'm not sure I am buying into that. |
356 is a proper unibody. It'll always be more rigid than a body-on-frame car. |
Exactly. 356 has a boxed frame with the body welded to it.. The beam is welded to the box frame it's all integral vs bolted on like a VW. I wonder if it would be possible to increase the ridgidity of the Ghia if one was to weld the pan to the body and the beam to the tunnel.
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1960 Baja Bug
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DONGKG
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Joined: August 28, 2006
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Location: Cainta, Rizal, Philippines, "A Certified Type 3 and Karmann Ghia Maniac"
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| Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: Karmann Ghia versus Porsche: You be the Judge |
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| Era Vulgaris wrote: |
| CiderGuy wrote: |
| Braukuche wrote: |
| 356s are not that fast they topped out at 105hp stock, but you will not out handle a B or C car with a Ghia, they simply lack the rigidity a 356 has and I have owned both. Both are great cars they were just built for different purposes. |
Please explain how a 356 is more rigid then a Ghia ? I'm not sure I am buying into that. |
356 is a proper unibody. It'll always be more rigid than a body-on-frame car. |
Exactly. 356 has a boxed frame with the body welded to it.. The beam is welded to the box frame it's all integral vs bolted on like a VW. I wonder if it would be possible to increase the ridgidity of the Ghia if one was to weld the pan to the body and the beam to the tunnel. |
Another points to be considered is that Porsche 356's side members are much more bigger and sturdy vis-a-vis the side members of a Karmann Ghia which much smaller in construction. That would have been redesigned a bit larger to add rigidity and integrity to the chassis IMO.
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Bones 53
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: Karmann Ghia versus Porsche: You be the Judge |
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| I've since sold the Ghia mentioned above. Mine was a 73 with IRS narrowed trailing arms 6 inch x 16 Fuchs, 1" narrowed and lowered beam etc. It handled great. I also replaced the heater channels with 2x3" .095 tube. I think it really did stiffen the car quite a bit. |
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JackBone
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:51 am Post subject: Re: Karmann Ghia versus Porsche: You be the Judge |
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| Clearly the Porsche has greater value...so great that I can't offer the comparative experience of driving one. However, I do have a modified 1969 Ghia Coupe, and a stock 1990 Miata, and I can do anything handling-wise in the Ghia that I can do in the Miata--which probably puts the Ghia ahead of a stock 356 in that department. (Yes, there are some suspension changes to stiffen the frame). Engine is 1776 cc /110 HP (very similar HP to the Miata, so the Ghia doesn't have a power advantage--I think the Miata is rated at 114?--and that helps allow the Ghia the ability to do what it does)...Finally, I tried to upload a photo to the gallery-- it would not work at this time, I will try again later--but in terms of appearance (thanks to a really nice paint job and wheels and bumper mods--no credit to me), and comparative values aside, I will take my Ghia any day of the week. But I totally respect and appreciate 356 Porsches and their history. |
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