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glutamodo  The Android

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tasb The Distributor Distributor
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 6840 Location: Pentwater, Michigan
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: Distributor 113905205T rebuild *PIC Heavy* |
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I've been using one half a a split pin as a retainer. It's only a bit wider than a piece of wire but holds up well and requires only the tiniest of holes in the clip boss for those times when the boss is badly eroded. I'm able to rehabilitate most of these distributors this way but there are still some that are just too far gone.
I have found that the type III distributors of this era to be particularly prone to loose or missing cap clips. _________________ Roads Scholar
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist

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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: Distributor 113905205T rebuild *PIC Heavy* |
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I thought I'd add this video to this thread of a German Bosch 113905205T distributor mounted on my Sun distributor machine showing the famous 3* retard for cylinder #3. I just restored this 205T this morning.
What the video is showing is the flashing arrows when each lobe is firing as the points open on that lobe. The top right arrow is showing the 3* retard on that cylinder number 3 lobe. All the other lobes are at opening the points at basically 90* from each other which is what they should be doing.
VW knew it had an issue with cylinder #3 running hotter due to the oil cooler being in the way of the cooling air flow to that cylinder inside the fan shroud. They retarded the timing 3* on cylinder number three in an effort to help it run cooler. VW finally corrected this when they went to the dog house fan shroud in 1971 which got the oil cooler out of the cooling air path. They did this by offsetting the cooler to the front of the engine. _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
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Xevin  Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: Distributor 113905205T rebuild *PIC Heavy* |
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That's really cool. Thanks for sharing. Did I just make a pun  _________________ Keep on Busin'
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heimlich  VWNOS.com

Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 7564 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:37 pm Post subject: Re: Distributor 113905205T rebuild *PIC Heavy* |
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What's the measurable difference on the shaft? 1mm? _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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airschooled Air-Schooled

Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 13620 Location: West Coast, USA
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:57 pm Post subject: Re: Distributor 113905205T rebuild *PIC Heavy* |
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| kawfee wrote: |
| What's the measurable difference on the shaft? 1mm? |
WAAAAAYYYYYYY smaller than that. Not detectable by eye, certainly. I'm going to finish my scotch and mic one out right now and get back to you……
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Glenn  Mr. 010

Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 80319 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:10 am Post subject: Re: Distributor 113905205T rebuild *PIC Heavy* |
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| kawfee wrote: |
| What's the measurable difference on the shaft? 1mm? |
Since the distributor rotates at 1/2 engine speed, 3* (engine) is 1.5* (distributor), that's 1/240 if the circumference.
I hope you have better than 20/20 vision. _________________ Glenn
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joey1320 Samba Member
Joined: September 12, 2006 Posts: 2336 Location: Cleveland, OH
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:33 am Post subject: Re: Distributor 113905205T rebuild *PIC Heavy* |
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I know this thread deals with OEM distributors, but has anyone here disassembled, cleaned, lubed and reassembled (fixed) a German 009 distributor? I bought a decent looking one from eBay and want to service it for a spare. _________________ 1971 Super - Sold
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Glenn  Mr. 010

Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 80319 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:31 am Post subject: Re: Distributor 113905205T rebuild *PIC Heavy* |
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I've done a few 009s.
_________________ Glenn
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joey1320 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:57 am Post subject: Re: Distributor 113905205T rebuild *PIC Heavy* |
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| Glenn wrote: |
I've done a few 009s.
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Hi Glenn,
Am I missing a spring or is there only supposed to be one depending on model? Can I just wing it and get any spring the seems/fits the same?
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Glenn  Mr. 010

Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 80319 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:38 am Post subject: Re: Distributor 113905205T rebuild *PIC Heavy* |
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Only 1 spring.
You can't use just any spring and expect the same curve. _________________ Glenn
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joey1320 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:20 am Post subject: Re: Distributor 113905205T rebuild *PIC Heavy* |
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| Glenn wrote: |
Only 1 spring.
You can't use just any spring and expect the same curve. |
Cool.
I figured that, just wanted to put one on if it was supposed to.
Better than nothing.
Glad it don't need it. _________________ 1971 Super - Sold
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist

Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13699 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: Distributor 113905205T rebuild *PIC Heavy* |
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Yikes! That distributor was clearly stored/left in the weather. Lots of rust and corrosion in that one. A great reason why I won't buy any used distributors from the rust/salt belt. _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
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Glenn  Mr. 010

Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 80319 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: Distributor 113905205T rebuild *PIC Heavy* |
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Other than some pitting on the breaker plate, it cleaned up fine and works like new.
Some can't be saved.
383 from a 49 Split Beetle.
Internals from a VJ4BR8
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gt1953 Samba Member

Joined: May 08, 2002 Posts: 13957 Location: White Mountains Arizona
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:53 am Post subject: Re: Distributor 113905205T rebuild *PIC Heavy* |
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Bucket of vinegar for a few days will eat the rust away. Like wcfvw69 says I pass on the rustosis items here in the west. Now oil covered that is a different story on the should I purchase or not. _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
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Glenn  Mr. 010

Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 80319 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:03 am Post subject: Re: Distributor 113905205T rebuild *PIC Heavy* |
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Greasy and dirty is better than rusty. _________________ Glenn
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist

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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: Distributor 113905205T rebuild *PIC Heavy* |
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| gt1953 wrote: |
| Bucket of vinegar for a few days will eat the rust away. Like wcfvw69 says I pass on the rustosis items here in the west. Now oil covered that is a different story on the should I purchase or not. |
I don't mind the dirty/greasy. As Glenn stated, it protects the metal from corrosion. When I'm buying core distributors, a quick glance inside tells me to put it down or purchase.
I had a customer send me a rarer distributor to restore. After unboxing it and looking it over, It was put right back in the box. It was dumpster bait due to the heavy corrosion. Yes, you can wire wheel the rust off or put the parts in mild acid. However, that won't cure the heavy pitting nor prevent it from rusting again unless those parts are painted or replated. A coat of oil on them only lasts so long.
That customer must of really loved that badly rusted 009 to have Glenn restore it. I see buckets of German 009's for dirt cheap prices at the local swaps here that look new when I look down inside them with no rust at all. _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
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**Now rebuilding throttle bodies for VW's and Porsche's**
**Restored German Bosch distributors for sale or I can restore yours**
**Restored German Pierburg fuel pumps for sale or I can restore yours**
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Glenn  Mr. 010

Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 80319 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: Distributor 113905205T rebuild *PIC Heavy* |
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| wcfvw69 wrote: |
| That customer must of really loved that badly rusted 009 to have Glenn restore it. I see buckets of German 009's for dirt cheap prices at the local swaps here that look new when I look down inside them with no rust at all. |
It was a good friend's and he wanted a Bosch German 009. _________________ Glenn
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Dwayne1m Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: Distributor 113905205T rebuild *PIC Heavy* |
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| Are there bearings or bushings inside the distributor body? |
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heimlich  VWNOS.com

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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: Distributor 113905205T rebuild *PIC Heavy* |
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| Dwayne1m wrote: |
| Are there bearings or bushings inside the distributor body? |
Bushings. I've always seen two with one on top and one on the bottom. Sometimes folks replace them with 1 long one. I prefer to keep the set of two with the felt in between for lubrication. _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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