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levi
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 Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: Can the 1.8t run backward? |
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I guess if I wasn't so lazy I could go out and drop the pan to show everyone that it's alright....
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tristessa
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:36 pm Post subject: Re: Can the 1.8t run backward? |
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| levi wrote: |
| I guess if I wasn't so lazy I could go out and drop the pan to show everyone that it's alright.... |
Did you upgrade your engine since I met up with you in Portland? I thought you had the AEB...? which is the 058 engine not the 06A featured in Andrew's new thread.
Totally different oil pump drive between the motors. |
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Stuartzickefoose
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:21 pm Post subject: Re: Can the 1.8t run backward? |
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| tristessa wrote: |
| levi wrote: |
| I guess if I wasn't so lazy I could go out and drop the pan to show everyone that it's alright.... |
Did you upgrade your engine since I met up with you in Portland? I thought you had the AEB...? which is the 058 engine not the 06A featured in Andrew's new thread.
Totally different oil pump drive between the motors. |
What’s the difference of those two? The 06a vs the AEB? Years? Or models they came in?
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D Clymer
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:12 am Post subject: Re: Can the 1.8t run backward? |
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| Stuartzickefoose wrote: |
| tristessa wrote: |
| levi wrote: |
| I guess if I wasn't so lazy I could go out and drop the pan to show everyone that it's alright.... |
Did you upgrade your engine since I met up with you in Portland? I thought you had the AEB...? which is the 058 engine not the 06A featured in Andrew's new thread.
Totally different oil pump drive between the motors. |
What’s the difference of those two? The 06a vs the AEB? Years? Or models they came in? |
The 058 block has an intermediate shaft that drives the oil pump and has an external water pump. This block was last used here on the 1999 Audi A4 and VW Passat. The 06A block has no intermediate shaft and has the oil pump chain driven off the crank. It also has an integrated water pump rather than a front mount unit. The basic 06A block was used throughout the rest of 1.8T production and even the early 2.0TFSI engines were based on this design. |
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levi
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:51 am Post subject: Re: Can the 1.8t run backward? |
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| tristessa wrote: |
| levi wrote: |
| I guess if I wasn't so lazy I could go out and drop the pan to show everyone that it's alright.... |
Did you upgrade your engine since I met up with you in Portland? I thought you had the AEB...? which is the 058 engine not the 06A featured in Andrew's new thread.
Totally different oil pump drive between the motors. |
Sorry, Levi is not here and hasn't been all day.
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metropoj
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:28 am Post subject: Re: Can the 1.8t run backward? |
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I wonder if it is worth a mod to the thread title to say this is for the early 058 AEB ATW engines as Andrew has so kindly introduced the new thread for the 06a.
I fear the 2 threads will start to get quite cross contaminated with content between these 2 different motors...
Thanks again Andrew for sharing your time and ingenuity with us, along with the others to helped spur discussions, thoughts and solutions along the way. I am merely a lightweight amongst the heavyweights in this forum !
I am hoping when the time comes that the clarity of how you guys properly set the valve timing is universal between the 2 different 1.8t motors  hint hint, lol ...
Cheers everyone ...
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1988M5
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: Can the 1.8t run backward? |
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Top of my head thinking, why not avoid the backward spinning engine and desired R&P changes in one devise? A newly created planetary gear set/ CV joint? All current CVs seem to be iffy at best and folks are willing to spend money to solve this Achilles heal.
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xoo00oox
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:57 am Post subject: Re: Can the 1.8t run backward? |
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| metropoj wrote: |
I wonder if it is worth a mod to the thread title to say this is for the early 058 AEB ATW engines as Andrew has so kindly introduced the new thread for the 06a.
I fear the 2 threads will start to get quite cross contaminated with content between these 2 different motors...
Thanks again Andrew for sharing your time and ingenuity with us, along with the others to helped spur discussions, thoughts and solutions along the way. I am merely a lightweight amongst the heavyweights in this forum !
I am hoping when the time comes that the clarity of how you guys properly set the valve timing is universal between the 2 different 1.8t motors hint hint, lol ...
Cheers everyone ... |
The valve timing is identical between the early and late 1.8t engines. I'll be showing how to do that next. |
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xoo00oox
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:20 am Post subject: Re: Can the 1.8t run backward? |
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| 1988M5 wrote: |
Top of my head thinking, why not avoid the backward spinning engine and desired R&P changes in one devise? A newly created planetary gear set/ CV joint? All current CVs seem to be iffy at best and folks are willing to spend money to solve this Achilles heal.
Brian
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Interesting idea, go get to work on it.
The advantage of the CCW 1.8t is that it can be done very inexpensively using almost all stock VW parts, you just need to reconfigure them a bit. |
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scir16v
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: Can the 1.8t run backward? |
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I know this may sound blasphemous, but what about adapting a pre-2000 honda 4 cylinder engine to an audi transmission. They spin CCW naturally.
Don't get me wrong, very cool project and work to get a motor to spin opposite of what it was designed to do. |
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xoo00oox
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:26 pm Post subject: Re: Can the 1.8t run backward? |
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I know this may sound blasphemous, but what about adapting a pre-2000 honda 4 cylinder engine to an audi transmission. They spin CCW naturally.
Don't get me wrong, very cool project and work to get a motor to spin opposite of what it was designed to do. |
That's a nice project for somebody else to do. |
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tristessa
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: Can the 1.8t run backward? |
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| scir16v wrote: |
| I know this may sound blasphemous, but what about adapting a pre-2000 honda 4 cylinder engine to an audi transmission. They spin CCW naturally. |
Sounds nifty in a perverse sort of way. Be sure to post lots of pictures in your build thread to let us know how it's done.
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vanagonjr
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: Can the 1.8t run backward? |
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| scir16v wrote: |
I know this may sound blasphemous, but what about adapting a pre-2000 honda 4 cylinder engine to an audi transmission. They spin CCW naturally.
Don't get me wrong, very cool project and work to get a motor to spin opposite of what it was designed to do. |
In general terms, no real torque, high reving, not a good fit probably.
And I love high-reving Honda engines, I’ve logged over 1/2 million miles on them, but no interest in one for a van. For a bug, might be a good fit - depends on gearing.
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Wellington
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| Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:15 am Post subject: Re: Can the 1.8t run backward? |
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Honda motor......let's not go backwards LOL
The 1.8T AEB makes 150hp and more importantly 155 ft lbs of torque by 1800 rpm. Compare those numbers to all other conversions! Low RPM torque is what will move our boxes. Chip it and it really wakes up.
Andrew is a genius, he managed to mate this power plant to a transmission properly geared, and the transmission is robust. I've read where people are putting gobs of power through these transmissions (in an A4 or Passat)and the transmissions are doing fine.
No adapter plate, no $2500 rebuild on a Vanagon transmission only meant to take 90hp. And it's all VAG!!
Can you tell I love mine. |
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levi
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| Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: Can the 1.8t run backward? |
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| Wellington wrote: |
Honda motor......let's not go backwards LOL
The 1.8T AEB makes 150hp and more importantly 155 ft lbs of torque by 1800 rpm. Compare those numbers to all other conversions! Low RPM torque is what will move our boxes. Chip it and it really wakes up.
Andrew is a genius, he managed to mate this power plant to a transmission properly geared, and the transmission is robust. I've read where people are putting gobs of power through these transmissions (in an A4 or Passat)and the transmissions are doing fine.
No adapter plate, no $2500 rebuild on a Vanagon transmission only meant to take 90hp. And it's all VAG!!
Can you tell I love mine. |
The future implied positive value from having left the vanagon transmission behind is large and continues to grow.
I was willing to accept needing to source another box every few years when I could get them from a junkyard for 137, but they've increased in value so rapidly in just the last 10 years that I'm afraid of what that landscape will look like 10-15 years from now.
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tristessa
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| Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: Can the 1.8t run backward? |
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| levi wrote: |
| [when I could get them from a junkyard for 137, but they've increased in value so rapidly in just the last 10 years |
Cheapest I'm finding on an '87 2WD Vanagon at a "mainline" dismantler through car-part.com is $750.... |
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Splank365
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:22 am Post subject: Re: Can the 1.8t run backward? |
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I know this may sound blasphemous, but what about adapting a pre-2000 honda 4 cylinder engine to an audi transmission. They spin CCW naturally.
Don't get me wrong, very cool project and work to get a motor to spin opposite of what it was designed to do. |
It's possible alright.
This is a B20B (well actually its the test block which was a B16 but it's the same)
Gearbox is standard and uses the standard audi clutch. The engine is also completely standard. All changeover is done with the adapter plate and the flywheel.
The honda management uses a distributor which gets in the way so I'm running it on 45s |
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Zeitgeist 13
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:51 am Post subject: Re: Can the 1.8t run backward? |
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When does that thing hit peak torque, like 6500rpms?
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JDub113
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Can the 1.8t run backward? |
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| Wellington wrote: |
Honda motor......let's not go backwards LOL
The 1.8T AEB makes 150hp and more importantly 155 ft lbs of torque by 1800 rpm. Compare those numbers to all other conversions! Low RPM torque is what will move our boxes. Chip it and it really wakes up.
Andrew is a genius, he managed to mate this power plant to a transmission properly geared, and the transmission is robust. I've read where people are putting gobs of power through these transmissions (in an A4 or Passat)and the transmissions are doing fine.
No adapter plate, no $2500 rebuild on a Vanagon transmission only meant to take 90hp. And it's all VAG!!
Can you tell I love mine. |
What transmission is he using?
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Zeitgeist 13
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:47 pm Post subject: Re: Can the 1.8t run backward? |
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I think he mentioned the 012 trans is from a V6 A4/Passat
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