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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:49 am    Post subject: Re: The Karmann Ghia’s predecessors and successors Reply with quote

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Well, I know that I wasn’t— otherwise I would have bought one! Remarkable!


It was available here between 2010 and 2015. Still available as a used car of course and for little money...price range between £5000 to £10000. One just up the road from me.


It would have been in the running back in 2013 when I got my TTS but no longer!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:04 am    Post subject: Re: The Karmann Ghia’s predecessors and successors Reply with quote

Don't know if it will play in the US but you might find this of interest...

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:10 am    Post subject: Re: The Karmann Ghia’s predecessors and successors Reply with quote

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Don't know if it will play in the US but you might find this of interest...

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Sweet! Thanks!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:13 pm    Post subject: Re: The Karmann Ghia’s predecessors and successors Reply with quote

270 HP from a 1600? It's almost a Ghia... Except for the terrifyingly ugly front end.

Looks fun to drive.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:20 pm    Post subject: Re: The Karmann Ghia’s predecessors and successors Reply with quote

This seems apropos:

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From here:
https://www.behance.net/gallery/9566669/Karmann-Ghia-Coupe-Concept-2013
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:01 am    Post subject: Re: The Karmann Ghia’s predecessors and successors Reply with quote

Trylon wrote:
This seems apropos:

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From here:
https://www.behance.net/gallery/9566669/Karmann-Ghia-Coupe-Concept-2013


Yes we have another thread here with these design concepts, They were never intended to go into production, just a showcase for a digital design studio in Brazil.

Here are a few threads that have appeared over the years:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=707717
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8502583#8502583
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=641175
and the six pages of Photoshopped KGs...
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=491676
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:31 am    Post subject: Re: The Karmann Ghia’s predecessors and successors Reply with quote

Trylon, your TT looks very nice and seems well cared for. I'm still highly convinced that the TT is a reborn Ghia.

I was enjoying my morning ritual of Coffee and Bring a Trailer. I saw this 57 Alfa Romeo 1900C. The front end seems similar to our KG's. Maybe a bit of industrial espionage going on?
I now understand why it was it was "fashionable" to stick an Alfa grill on a "bumped nose" Ghia.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:45 am    Post subject: Re: The Karmann Ghia’s predecessors and successors Reply with quote

kingkarmann wrote:
Trylon, your TT looks very nice and seems well cared for. I'm still highly convinced that the TT is a reborn Ghia.

I was enjoying my morning ritual of Coffee and Bring a Trailer. I saw this 57 Alfa Romeo 1900C. The front end seems similar to our KG's. Maybe a bit of industrial espionage going on?
I now understand why it was it was "fashionable" to stick an Alfa grill on a "bumped nose" Ghia.


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Thanks for the kind words! Seems more worthwhile to lavish my care on a midcentury dream car, and I am looking forward to doing so! It is funny that I finally got to the Ghia from TT so, clearly, I must have seen the family resemblance.

Agree that the AR has some KG aspects. As the AR is 57, is it the lead time is required that makes you suspect espionage? Or could it simply have been copying? I have seen that grill on KGs; didn’t know it was Alfa’s.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:58 am    Post subject: Re: The Karmann Ghia’s predecessors and successors Reply with quote

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Agree that the AR has some KG aspects. As the AR is 57, is it the lead time is required that makes you suspect espionage? Or could it simply have been copying? I have seen that grill on KGs; didn’t know it was Alfa’s.


Just thinking of what it must have been like working at one of the Italian auto styling salons during that time. I'm purely speculating on how these designs would be similar. It would have probably been a very small circle of designers. I doubt they would collaborate. I bet the competition was as fierce in the design studio's as it was on the race tracks.
Maybe an apprentice left one studio for a better opportunity at another?
A simpler and more boring idea is imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:02 am    Post subject: Re: The Karmann Ghia’s predecessors and successors Reply with quote

kingkarmann wrote:
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Agree that the AR has some KG aspects. As the AR is 57, is it the lead time is required that makes you suspect espionage? Or could it simply have been copying? I have seen that grill on KGs; didn’t know it was Alfa’s.


Just thinking of what it must have been like working at one of the Italian auto styling salons during that time. I'm purely speculating on how these designs would be similar. It would have probably been a very small circle of designers. I doubt they would collaborate. I bet the competition was as fierce in the design studio's as it was on the race tracks.
Maybe an apprentice left one studio for a better opportunity at another?
A simpler and more boring idea is imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.


Yes, I agree! Let’s go with the more exciting concept of ESPIONAGE!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:31 am    Post subject: Re: The Karmann Ghia’s predecessors and successors Reply with quote

John Moxon wrote:
Don't know if it will play in the US but you might find this of interest...

Link

Who would have ever suspected that it was actually pronounced "are see zed are"? Shocked

Thanks for the link, John - after watching that, I can honestly say that I think I'm in love with that model.









... and those two cars are pretty sweet as well!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:36 am    Post subject: Re: The Karmann Ghia’s predecessors and successors Reply with quote

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... and those two cars are pretty sweet as well!


Smiley face here if I used them.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:04 am    Post subject: Re: The Karmann Ghia’s predecessors and successors Reply with quote

To me, I think this would be the ultimate remake of the Ghia, found this pic some time ago here on The Samba, but have no idea where it is located.

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Not sure where the engine would be located, probably a mid-engine or standard rear mount.

I have this as my desktop background pic, just because it looks so SWEEEETT!

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:05 am    Post subject: Re: The Karmann Ghia’s predecessors and successors Reply with quote

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To me, I think this would be the ultimate remake of the Ghia, found this pic some time ago here on The Samba, but have no idea where it is located.

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Not sure where the engine would be located, probably a mid-engine or standard rear mount.

I have this as my desktop background pic, just because it looks so SWEEEETT!

Jeff


And it’s a lowlight! Thanks for sharing!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:43 am    Post subject: Re: The Karmann Ghia’s predecessors and successors Reply with quote

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I recall seeing a thread a while back about a guy who claimed to be building it based off the picture. I don't recall if it was here on on Shop Talk Forums. If true, I would love to see the build thread.

I'd pay a dollar to see it in person Laughing

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EDIT: I noticed I had already made very similar comments in one of the threads john listed above. I apologize for the redundant redundancy.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:38 am    Post subject: Re: The Karmann Ghia’s predecessors and successors Reply with quote

1953 Ghia Cadillac Coupe

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:29 pm    Post subject: Re: The Karmann Ghia’s predecessors and successors Reply with quote

1947 Cisitalia


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:44 pm    Post subject: Re: The Karmann Ghia’s predecessors and successors Reply with quote

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1947 Cisitalia


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I'm seein' a Buick influence there.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:49 pm    Post subject: Re: The Karmann Ghia’s predecessors and successors Reply with quote

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1947 Cisitalia


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I'm seein' a Buick influence there.


Was lead to this car from the interview with Exner’s son pointing out that the low hood with protruding fenders design feature came from cars like the Cisitalia.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:58 pm    Post subject: Re: The Karmann Ghia’s predecessors and successors Reply with quote

I saw this Borgward Isabella in an old junkyard today & instantly recognized those body lines.
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