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dbeierl Samba Member
Joined: April 22, 2009 Posts: 165 Location: Providence, Rhode Island, USA
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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Ahwahnee wrote: |
On my originals the socket portion (the bottom of the stalk of the mirror) developed vertical cracks that caused the socket to be looser on the ball -- too loose for the spring to be able to make it tight on its own. |
Meaning you ran out of threads on the shaft? In that case adding a washer or two under the nut should bring things back into range. Of course if the shaft is pulling out from someone over-tightening it you have to re-seat it and pin it to retain it. Adding a compression band (hose clamp, wrapped/twisted brass/stainless/monel wire) around the cracked portion would probably be prudent as well. |
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Gnarlodious  Samba Member

Joined: September 28, 2013 Posts: 2405 Location: Bonners Ferry Idaho
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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I just stop at a drippy conifir and smear some resin on it. _________________ Vanagon ’83 diesel AAZ w/Giles injection, 5spd 4.57R&P+TBD and a '78 diesel Rabbit |
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mcswain2332 Samba Member

Joined: October 25, 2013 Posts: 65 Location: Asheville, NC
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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If gowesty's mirrors worked as advertized this thread wouldn't exist. I'm frustrated with my purchase and like many others apparently, I'm modifying my "no flop" mirrors as well. They make/modify a lot of great stuff but they should rethink their mirror claims. |
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Typhon2222 Samba Member

Joined: October 24, 2009 Posts: 363 Location: Berkeley, CA --> Berlin, Germany
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2015 8:01 am Post subject: |
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hiram6 wrote: |
Did this mod today on my mirrors. I found a rubber washer that fits perfectly with no trimming needed.
Bought mine at Lowes, Hillman brand, size 3/8 x 7/8 x 1/16, as indicated on the package. SKU # 00823670763 Grand total of 75 cents. |
I'm trying to find these washers myself.... The Lowe's website gives two options, but neither listing specifies the third dimension (1/16), so I'm not sure which of the two below is the right one:
http://www.lowes.com/pd_136599-37672-880371_0__?pr...facetInfo=
http://www.lowes.com/pd_441298-37672-3814_0__?prod...facetInfo= _________________ Basil — '88 Dove Blue Westy. |
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dhaavers Samba Member

Joined: March 19, 2010 Posts: 8474 Location: NE MN (tinyurl.com/dhaaverslocation)
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:08 am Post subject: |
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^^^ Either one; thickness is not the critical dimension - you just tighten it down until snug.
OR: swing by a real hardware store on your next beer run, and save the shipping...
- Dave _________________ 86 White Wolfsburg Westy Weekender
"The WonderVan"
<EDITED TO PROTECT INNOCENT PIXELS> |
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Typhon2222 Samba Member

Joined: October 24, 2009 Posts: 363 Location: Berkeley, CA --> Berlin, Germany
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:28 am Post subject: |
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dhaavers wrote: |
^^^ Either one; thickness is not the critical dimension - you just tighten it down until snug.
OR: swing by a real hardware store on your next beer run, and save the shipping...
- Dave |
Hah, thanks Dave. It's the diameter of the inner hole I'm not sure about. That's what differs in the two products linked. (Yeah, I realize I wasn't clear about that.) _________________ Basil — '88 Dove Blue Westy. |
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michaelasnider Samba Member
Joined: September 27, 2013 Posts: 380 Location: East Kootenays, Canada
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 7:19 am Post subject: |
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It's a rubber washer, so unless it's tiny you should be able to force it over the bolt.
I put the washers in mine as well as touched up the plastic with Krylon fusion, the mirrors no longer flop, and look brand new!
A great idea, such a simple fix for such an irritating problem. |
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llilibel03 Samba Member
Joined: February 03, 2008 Posts: 777 Location: Redondo Beach California
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: Vanagon ‘floppy mirror syndrome’ CURED! |
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So I did the rubber washer trick and thought I had cured the floppy ears but then my passenger mirror flopped again. I guess I overtightened the nut and the bolt/pin pulled out. Is this fixable? I have epoxy or gorilla glue, but something tells me neither will hold the bolt in there when I tighten it enough to stop the flop. |
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E1 Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2013 Posts: 8426 Location: Westfalia, Earth
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:30 pm Post subject: Re: Vanagon ‘floppy mirror syndrome’ CURED! |
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My mirrors shared the "Syndrome" when first buying the bus and being afraid of breakage. Mirrors moved as I watched.
Finally I just very carefully cranked them tighter, and wrapped a wide-ish wire tie around the footing so the wire tie's "buckle" is in the same position the mirror always flops to.
Now I tighten a skosh and replace the tie every year or so. _________________ "Adding power makes you faster on the straights.
Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere." — Colin Chapman
AI has spoken to further illiteracy, to steal, to cheat, and to replace humans
’84 “Westfailure”/2.1 Digijet/5.43 Ring & Pinion/Peloquin/D-rated BFG KO2s |
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Ahwahnee Samba Member

Joined: June 05, 2010 Posts: 10281 Location: Mt Lemmon, AZ
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: Vanagon ‘floppy mirror syndrome’ CURED! |
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I glued the hex pin, I added the rubber washers, I drilled and inserted a roll pin... that last one did finally cure the mirror of any movement (also any future adjustment.
Finally I got new mirrors (which included a convex driver's mirror) and now all is well as I start on the next 33 years and eventually deal with the flop again. |
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E1 Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2013 Posts: 8426 Location: Westfalia, Earth
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: Vanagon ‘floppy mirror syndrome’ CURED! |
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Ahwahnee wrote: |
Finally I got new mirrors (which included a convex driver's mirror) and now all is well as I start on the next 33 years and eventually deal with the flop again. |
That's just cheating.  _________________ "Adding power makes you faster on the straights.
Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere." — Colin Chapman
AI has spoken to further illiteracy, to steal, to cheat, and to replace humans
’84 “Westfailure”/2.1 Digijet/5.43 Ring & Pinion/Peloquin/D-rated BFG KO2s |
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Tom Powell Samba Member

Joined: December 01, 2005 Posts: 4852 Location: Kaneohe
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: Vanagon ‘floppy mirror syndrome’ CURED! |
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I used superglue and bought aa set of spares from the classified.
Aloha
tp |
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chrisfreemanca Samba Member

Joined: March 13, 2016 Posts: 140 Location: Alabama
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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HerrBGone wrote: |
It’s like a fender washer. The OD just about matches the inside lip of the socket and the ID needed to be opened up to fit on the stud. I think it’s about 3/4” to 1” in diameter with a slightly smaller than 1/4” hole – probably intended for a #8 or #10 screw. The washers I used are about 1/8” thick. (I should have measured them up before installing them…) If you can get them a little thinner they may work even better. I used a flat washer. They have washers with one side that is cone shaped. I would not use one of those. You want a washer that will conform to the shape of the ball and socket joint when compressed in the assembly. This is a standard plumbing part that they had in quantity at Aubuchon Hardware. I’m not sure what it’s supposed to be used for, just that it works great in this application.
Edit: Here's a crude little drawing showing where the washer goes in the assembly:
Note: Shown is the driver’s side mirror assembly with the mirror lying flat on its back as on your workbench.
Edit 2: I added a little detail and (hopefully) clarified some of the text. |
Reviving this back as I cannot for the life of me determine how to get the mirror off the ball assembly. I have everything apart but cannot see how to get it apart to how this sketch is suggesting. Any tips?
Thanks,
Chris _________________ 87 2wd manual. |
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Ahwahnee Samba Member

Joined: June 05, 2010 Posts: 10281 Location: Mt Lemmon, AZ
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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chrisfreemanca wrote: |
...I cannot for the life of me determine how to get the mirror off the ball assembly... |
As I recall, the mount (base) separates from the mirror/ball but the ball & mirror stay together. IOW, the rubber washer goes between the bottom of the ball and the mount/base. |
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chrisfreemanca Samba Member

Joined: March 13, 2016 Posts: 140 Location: Alabama
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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Ahwahnee wrote: |
chrisfreemanca wrote: |
...I cannot for the life of me determine how to get the mirror off the ball assembly... |
As I recall, the mount (base) separates from the mirror/ball but the ball & mirror stay together. IOW, the rubber washer goes between the bottom of the ball and the mount/base. |
I think i'm tracking with you. Now if I could just get it apart. _________________ 87 2wd manual. |
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roscoePcoaltrane Samba Member
Joined: February 07, 2016 Posts: 5 Location: Kansas
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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:45 pm Post subject: VALADATED! |
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the plumbing selection at the hardware store carried a thicker 1" washer @ 1/8 and 3/16 hole. I went to the nuts/bolts/section and found 1/16 thick with larger hole. It worked great. I also added a flat washer between the spring and nut.
Crank it down and wahlah!
...on the GW "no flops" _________________ 1985 automatic subyvanagon
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khughes Samba Member
Joined: July 13, 2013 Posts: 905 Location: Phoenix AZ
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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: VALADATED! |
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roscoePcoaltrane wrote: |
the plumbing selection at the hardware store carried a thicker 1" washer @ 1/8 and 3/16 hole. I went to the nuts/bolts/section and found 1/16 thick with larger hole. It worked great. I also added a flat washer between the spring and nut.
Crank it down and wahlah!
...on the GW "no flops" |
Works, sorta. I tried just about everything and many things worked "mostly" or "almost". I gave up up and put on power mirrors. Dont have them wired yet, but even adjusting manually they are are great. No chance to flop. Lot of hassle just to have mirrors work, but.... _________________ '86 Westy FAS GenV Turbo (Marvin) |
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Ahwahnee Samba Member

Joined: June 05, 2010 Posts: 10281 Location: Mt Lemmon, AZ
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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:54 am Post subject: Re: Vanagon ‘floppy mirror syndrome’ CURED! |
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I finally cried 'uncle,' on this one. After years of trying the many tweaks ( roll pins, thicker washers, rubber washers, thicker rubber washers, etc) I have gone with the Land Rover mirrors that mount with an adapter made specifically for the Vanagon. Heading to SoCal in a couple of weeks and I guess I'll know then if that is the answer.
Mirrors with adapters available on eBay and elsewhere. Replacement mirrors (cheap) sold on Amazon. |
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space Samba Member
Joined: November 19, 2017 Posts: 826
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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:14 am Post subject: Re: Vanagon ‘floppy mirror syndrome’ CURED! |
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glued mine
70mph with big wind = no flop |
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khughes Samba Member
Joined: July 13, 2013 Posts: 905 Location: Phoenix AZ
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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:19 pm Post subject: Re: Vanagon ‘floppy mirror syndrome’ CURED! |
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space wrote: |
glued mine
70mph with big wind = no flop |
Makes 'em a tad difficult to adjust though...
I glued one of mine on a trip because I was sick of it flopping constantly, but then it was unusable for my wife. The power mirrors OTOH don't have any issues. The mirror portion is not subject to the wind at all. Pricey way to go, but sometimes you just get fed up  _________________ '86 Westy FAS GenV Turbo (Marvin) |
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