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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:53 pm    Post subject: Re: US style towel rail bumper installation *pic heavy! Reply with quote

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I have a question about the rubber stand offs at the ends of the front and rear bumper, are they bolted through the body panel?
Yes, they are bolted through the body panel at each "corner" Sorry I don't have measurements to help you locate the holes properly.


Correct. The photo shows the right rear position where the bolt sits. The body is double-skinned there and there should be an indentation in the inner skin of your Ghia where the bolt is meant to seat. If precise measurements are needed, please let me know: My car is on the jack at the moment.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:04 pm    Post subject: Re: US style towel rail bumper installation *pic heavy! Reply with quote

Thank you very much! That gets me pointed in the right direction.

Appears the PO filled in all four holes, 2 rear and 2 front, which means I’m sure there are many more surprises in store for me. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:40 pm    Post subject: Re: US style towel rail bumper installation *pic heavy! Reply with quote

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Thank you very much! That gets me pointed in the right direction.

Appears the PO filled in all four holes, 2 rear and 2 front, which means I’m sure there are many more surprises in store for me. Very Happy

There's also the rubber buffer that's split in two.
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The longer one is on the outer skin with the short one on the inner skin and a washer against the bolt head. The bolt passes thought the washer, small rubber, panel, large rubber then into the bumper.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:43 pm    Post subject: Re: US style towel rail bumper installation *pic heavy! Reply with quote

I had the same problem fitting my front bumper, no hole in the body so I tried this short cut, my ghia is definitely not show quality so it wasn't a big deal, just screwed a stud into the bumper blade and slipped a pc of cut to fit fuel line to keep it from vibrating around. So far so good.
The rear will definitely need the holes.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:48 pm    Post subject: Re: US style towel rail bumper installation *pic heavy! Reply with quote

Mine is in the body shop, otherwise I would help you with pictures/measurements.

If still need info come Monday I'll get info/pictures
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:38 pm    Post subject: Re: US style towel rail bumper installation *pic heavy! Reply with quote

In the technical section is this Technical Bulletin A14 - Reinforced Bumpers for Karmann Ghia Coupe and Convertible. which hasn't previously been linked to this sticky.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/techbulletins/a14.php

Also worth mention is the difference between pre-67 and 67 to 70 where the trailing line of the rear wheel arch changed making the bumper corner at the rear shorter. The bumper corners are not backwards compatible. They will bolt up to the cars but the early bumpers will poke into the wheel opening of later cars.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:01 pm    Post subject: Re: US style towel rail bumper installation *pic heavy! Reply with quote

QRP wrote:
I had the same problem fitting my front bumper, no hole in the body so I tried this short cut, my ghia is definitely not show quality so it wasn't a big deal, just screwed a stud into the bumper blade and slipped a pc of cut to fit fuel line to keep it from vibrating around. So far so good.
The rear will definitely need the holes.

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Interesting trick, I’ll keep that in mind for the front if it turns to that.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: US style towel rail bumper installation *pic heavy! Reply with quote

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Mine is in the body shop, otherwise I would help you with pictures/measurements.

If still need info come Monday I'll get info/pictures


@NoDents - if you think of it and have time that would be great! Although the paint job isn’t show quality, I’d rather not mess it up poking around and/or putting a hole in the wrong spot.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:08 pm    Post subject: Re: US style towel rail bumper installation *pic heavy! Reply with quote

sputnick60 wrote:
In the technical section is is Technical Bulletin A14 - Reinforced Bumpers for Karmann Ghia Coupe and Convertible. which hasn't previously been linked to this sticky.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/techbulletins/a14.php

Also worth mention is the difference between pre-67 and 67 to 70 where the trailing line of the rear wheel arch changed making the bumper corner at the rear shorter. The bumper corners are not backwards compatible. They will bolt up to the cars but the early bumpers will poke into the wheel opening of later cars.

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Nicholas


One thing I failed to mention is I have a ‘71. The bumpers were suppose to fit a ‘71 but I purchased them 7 years ago and just now getting to it.

My goal in all this is to get them mounted and run them as is for awhile then send them off to get re-chromed.

@sputnick60 = I was aware of the difference in length but you have me wondering now, any chance you can point me in the direction to get measurements for one style or the other?

ETA - on the rear bumper corners it looks like the bracket is a visual difference between the two, am I dreaming that or is that correct? If so, which is the ‘correct’ one?


Thanks everyone for the responses - this site is awesome!!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:09 am    Post subject: Re: US style towel rail bumper installation *pic heavy! Reply with quote

sputnick60 wrote:
In the technical section is is Technical Bulletin A14 - Reinforced Bumpers for Karmann Ghia Coupe and Convertible. which hasn't previously been linked to this sticky.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/techbulletins/a14.php

Nicholas


That technical bulletin is very interesting, I hadn’t seen it before. The date on the front page and the chassis number referred to would suggest it was from late 1957/early 1958 and the Ghia they fit up is a lowlight. Wouldn’t it be amazing to find a NOS ‘spare part kit: SP200’!!!

I’m glad the thread is still alive and useful, the tech bulletin is a valuable addition, thanks Nicholas!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:36 am    Post subject: Re: US style towel rail bumper installation *pic heavy! Reply with quote

Here is a handy reference that I've used in the past. It helps if you are trying to find the correct corner section for your rear bumper.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:24 am    Post subject: Re: US style towel rail bumper installation *pic heavy! Reply with quote

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Here is a handy reference that I've used in the past. It helps if you are trying to find the correct corner section for your rear bumper.

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That’s what I’m looking for! Appears I have the correct corner pieces for my 71.
Good thing as I doubt the seller had a 7 year return policy.. Very Happy

Looks like I’ll be knocking some rust of the various supports and give a quick shot of color to protect them. In a few years my plan is to restore the beast, good or bad, but for now I want to drive her and get to learn about the Ghia’s.

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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2020 7:22 am    Post subject: Re: US style towel rail bumper installation *pic heavy! Reply with quote

Been working on the front and rear bumpers and am at the stage of putting them all together and as fate would have it, ran into a snag.

I was in the process of chasing the threads on all the pieces and realized that the rear bumper pieces did not have nut welded to the brackets at the end of ‘tail’.

Looking at the pictures above it sure appears that there should be a nut welded to the bracket. So the question is has anyone else ran into this and thoughts on how to fix?

I don’t weld, yet, but could JB weld it if that’s the solution.

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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2020 8:26 am    Post subject: Re: US style towel rail bumper installation *pic heavy! Reply with quote

One option would be to use a rivet nut. If you are not familiar with them here is a link that shows what they look like and how to install one without the "special installation tool". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhzVDvnN_yM

I've used these extensively on car projects and they have worked fine. Only thing is that I don't know if you can find them with a metric thread.
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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2020 10:55 am    Post subject: Re: US style towel rail bumper installation *pic heavy! Reply with quote

Legacy wrote:
One option would be to use a rivet nut. If you are not familiar with them here is a link that shows what they look like and how to install one without the "special installation tool". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhzVDvnN_yM

I've used these extensively on car projects and they have worked fine. Only thing is that I don't know if you can find them with a metric thread.


@Legacy - thanks for that tip, I went out to Amazon and have a tool and rivnut headed my way now. So my goal of having bumpers on the Ghia for the weekend won’t happen.. oh well

Another question I have, on the rear bumper where do the override supports attach to? Obviously the tube end is a no brainer but hell if I can figure out what the other end bolts to. Perhaps I’m missing a couple pieces but looking at the various diagrams online and in my various books I can’t see it.

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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2020 11:04 am    Post subject: Re: US style towel rail bumper installation *pic heavy! Reply with quote

You mean where it mounts to the body?
Look carefully at the picture of my '63 -
Here's the hole on the passenger side:
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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2020 11:23 am    Post subject: Re: US style towel rail bumper installation *pic heavy! Reply with quote

My wife's 69 has holes in the back apron and braces attached to the underside of the apron.

May be a little hard to see in the pictures below but believe me the holes are there.

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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2020 12:03 pm    Post subject: Re: US style towel rail bumper installation *pic heavy! Reply with quote

Thanks guys that what I’m looking for. The PO filled them in and painted over them When they installed the bumperettes, which I’m getting rid of.

So the question is how critical is it to have the Rear override supports installed? Hate to go digging in on bodywork and cause paint issues but if it must be done than so be it.


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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2020 1:13 pm    Post subject: Re: US style towel rail bumper installation *pic heavy! Reply with quote

chaas67 wrote:
Thanks guys that what I’m looking for. The PO filled them in and painted over them When they installed the bumperettes, which I’m getting rid of.

So the question is how critical is it to have the Rear override supports installed? Hate to go digging in on bodywork and cause paint issues but if it must be done than so be it.


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I'm not sure I understand your question. You say you are getting rid of the bumperetts, which I assume you mean the overriders/bumper guards. If that is what you intend to do than as far as I can tell there is no purpose for the support, plus without the overrider in place there wouldn't be a housing (inside of overrider) for the top of the support to sit within. Maybe I'm just missing something in your question
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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2020 2:16 pm    Post subject: Re: US style towel rail bumper installation *pic heavy! Reply with quote

Legacy wrote:
chaas67 wrote:
Thanks guys that what I’m looking for. The PO filled them in and painted over them When they installed the bumperettes, which I’m getting rid of.

So the question is how critical is it to have the Rear override supports installed? Hate to go digging in on bodywork and cause paint issues but if it must be done than so be it.


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I'm not sure I understand your question. You say you are getting rid of the bumperetts, which I assume you mean the overriders/bumper guards. If that is what you intend to do than as far as I can tell there is no purpose for the support, plus without the overrider in place there wouldn't be a housing (inside of overrider) for the top of the support to sit within. Maybe I'm just missing something in your question


I might be using the wrong terms Embarassed

Checking out the JBugs online catalog they are called T bar bumpers;

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I’m removing the T bar bumpers and replacing them with the US style bumpers. Hope that makes more sense now.
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