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VWBobby
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| Is that pump electric or belt driven??? It looks electric... if so, thats awesome! |
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rubbachicken
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 11:45 am Post subject: |
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| Is that pump electric or belt driven??? It looks electric... if so, thats awesome! |
yes the pump is electric, there is no space to mount an extra pully on the end of a 411le motor and still be able to squeeze it into a split bus
i'm hoping the electric pump is not too noisy, as i had planned to mount it behind the bech seat
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VWBobby
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Thats cool. Actually, there is enough space to mount a pulley if you use one from a vanagon that had A/C and the T4. It mounts on the 3-bolt hub...very thin - ~1cm. I'm also running a T4 engine is my bus (with DTM conversion though). Glad its electric though, no load on the engine!
Are the support bearings/fittings for the steering shaft from the vanagon also or ??
The angle on the tie rods I was talking about....comes from having the rack too close to the beam. A guy in the Volksrod forum built a high-dollar chassis that had the rack mounted right next to the beam. It had the rods angled like yours. The bump steer was so bad the car would toe in and out when the suspension was moved through its full motion! just warning you to check it before you get too far! |
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rubbachicken
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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Thats cool. Actually, there is enough space to mount a pulley if you use one from a vanagon that had A/C and the T4. It mounts on the 3-bolt hub...very thin - ~1cm. I'm also running a T4 engine is my bus (with DTM conversion though). Glad its electric though, no load on the engine!
Are the support bearings/fittings for the steering shaft from the vanagon also or ??
The angle on the tie rods I was talking about....comes from having the rack too close to the beam. A guy in the Volksrod forum built a high-dollar chassis that had the rack mounted right next to the beam. It had the rods angled like yours. The bump steer was so bad the car would toe in and out when the suspension was moved through its full motion! just warning you to check it before you get too far! |
i guess i should have clarified, that one is not mine, the green stuff is mine
if you click the volksworld lik in my sig, you'll see that i'm using a complete 411le motor, injection system and fanshroud the lot, there is no space trust me, i've looked
i'm planning to have the link to run straight through, paralel to the chassis rails, rather than going diagonaly across the chassis
the bump steer problem, looking at and following closely the the sterring geometry and dimentions of the car it came off of, might i hope reduce the problem of bump steer, if they could get over the problem, and i keep close to their set up i hope it'll all work out 
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gbarrier
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Location: mount pleasant, NC United States
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: power steering on a split bus |
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Can anyone tell me which US cars have the steering racks with center take offs instead of tie rods out the ends?
Also, how does one secure the bottom end of the steering column when detaching it from the old steering gear and using the bevel gear.
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Brian Anthony
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: power steering on a split bus |
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An easier way to get power steering is to add an electric power unit in the steering column.
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Busstom
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:18 pm Post subject: Re: power steering on a split bus |
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Can anyone tell me which US cars have the steering racks with center take offs instead of tie rods out the ends?
Also, how does one secure the bottom end of the steering column when detaching it from the old steering gear and using the bevel gear.
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It's called center load. The overwhelming majority of center load racks are manual, and they're designed for off-road cars.
If you're looking for a power rack, the closest you'll probably get is the '68-'72 GM 'A' body setups. Unisteer Performance and Flaming River will have kits that feature roughly what you're looking for, but any of those setups will require a lot of customization and some trial-and-error to integrate into an early Bus (or any vehicle they weren't designed for). And the rack output on those units isn't totally stablized on their own, some use linear bearings to help carry the tie rod attachment member, others use cam followers. And then YOU would modify them to position your tie rods close to center.
Also look at the Steeroids kits, I think they use racks from Pontiac Grand Ams. Same deal, a central plate that takes off of the rack output, and tie rods attach to this common, self-supported plate. Again, a ton of fab involved.
Check the HBB Off-Road forum here on Samba, that will be your best resource, not here in the Bus forums. But they won't be talking about any of the racks I mentioned above, at least not to my knowledge. You're better off looking at hot rod, oval-track racing, and off-road suppliers, trust me.
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BulletBus
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:58 am Post subject: Re: power steering on a split bus |
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I remember seeing something a while back about beam/steering modifications. I mean I actually saw it. The guy did a standard steering box raise and shortened the steering shaft. Then he rotated the beam, forward I think, like 5 degrees or something, and he could steer with one finger at any speed, straight as an arrow. Lotta weed since then though.  Oh, and he was using a three spoke tractor steering wheel. They just happen to be keyed the same as a bus wheel. Not sure this helps at all.
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markswagen
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| Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: power steering on a split bus |
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l know this is a 4 year old post
l never did finish the power steering on my old split, l got married, finished and sold her to emigrate here to the states, l owned her for almost 18 years, and only got to drive 611 miles.
l had a second steering column, and planned to weld on a splined end too the column.
it would seem that honda CRV racks are close to what l had back in the day, l can't believe it's been almost 20 years.
l wish l still had the bus.
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Can anyone tell me which US cars have the steering racks with center take offs instead of tie rods out the ends?
Also, how does one secure the bottom end of the steering column when detaching it from the old steering gear and using the bevel gear.
Thanks |
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