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xxbrandnew10xx
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 Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:20 pm Post subject: Solex 30 pict 2 |
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I recently just came across a rebuilt 1600 sp longblock and am looking for the best carb. I found an add in the samba classifieds http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=622689
Does this look like a good deal. I have a 1915 right now and I found a old H30/31 in my pile of vw stuff but after looking on the forums i think id rather put a 30 pict 2 on the motor. I think im going to try and make it a daily motor so fuel economy is my main concern. Also I have a spare 009 distributor that will need a rebuild or is there a better dizzy for this motor setup. Thanks |
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rterfert
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I dont know what the market will bring these days (I still have a box full)
from when I was buying used for $5.00. |
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glutamodo 
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I'm not sure if I'd want EITHER of those. The 30PICT-2, has a metering screw that the factory designed that you cannot adjust or remove. So if the carb ever got all gunked up, you can't soak it and blow it all out because that metering needle is going to be in the way. You can make minor adjustments to the idle mixture via a different screw, but not like the previous 30PICT-1 carb!
IF it's a decent running tight original carb, then it can run fine though. Best match, is the factory one, the "M" distributor that was timed to 0 degrees (TDC) The later. 1970, similar "T" distributor will work as well. The 009, it might work OK too. Is it a German, Brazil or Chinese version of the 009??
-Andy
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xxbrandnew10xx
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it is a brazil 009 I actually have a german one on my 1915 right now... Also you said that the original factory carb is best on a 1600 sp, what is the factory carb?? I thought a 30 pict 2 was factory on a 1600 sp. I swear i learn something new everyday on vw's.
EDIT: i just found this http://www.vw-resource.com/carb.html it describes the differences and it also says that 30 pict 3 was the factory carb. and then the following paragraph it says ''The 30PICT/2 is one of the most reliable carbs Solex ever made, and it matches the 1500/1600cc single-port engines very well.''
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glutamodo
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Factory carb on the 1600SP in 1970 was the 30PICT-3 - an improvement over the PICT-2, as they were starting to figure out emissions tweaking. The earlier 30PICT-1 being the last carb they made before emissions tweaking began.
Sorry I DO NOT agree that the 30PICT-2 was the most reliable carb. The 30PICT-1 on the other hand, being the last carb VW made before emissions crap started, I think is the best. (I've seen plenty of PICT-2's that just would not run for crap, probably having to do the the reasons I mentioned above) Why do you think that BOCAR in Mexico reproduced the 30PICT-1 for many years and not the 30PICT-2 or -3???? And now EMPI has their own Chinese version as well?
-Andy
(lots of corrections in this thread, might help if I could spell, or remember WTF I was talking about!)
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xxbrandnew10xx
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| So glutamodo are your suggesting a 30pict1 or 30pict3? |
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glutamodo
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Well, since happen to have Bocar versions of the 30PICT-1 on both my "1400" 40HP in my 1962 Bug, and, via an adapter, on the 1600DP in my Baja bug, which one do you think I'd recommend???  |
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Fahrvergnügen
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| I have a recently rebuilt, never run 34 Pict 4, and brand new center section I'd be willing to part with. |
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xxbrandnew10xx
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No thank you Fahrvergnugen Id really like to keep it a 30 series carb with regular singleport manifold.
For the 30 pict 1 i read somewhere that it makes a 1600 run hot due to jetting,,, can i ask you what you run on your 1600? im just looking for a starting point and Ideas on what carb, Im definitely set on a german 30 series but am just trying to figure out which is best. thanks |
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glutamodo
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For the 30 pict 1 i read somewhere that it makes a 1600 run hot due to jetting,,, can i ask you what you run on your 1600? |
Ah well..... that's a whole huge ball of wax you are scratching there. I've very recently checked and found that my Baja runs hot. Very hot. I'm meaning to post about it but haven't yet, but I'm thinking at this point its a combination of things. (don't as me how hot, you wouldn't like me when I'm hot!)
Anyway, just plain jetting - you can change jets! The 30PICT-1 in the 1500SP had I think a 120 main and 125z air correction jet. I might have drilled my air correction jet a hair bigger for more air (I'm at altitude, so more air is needed) but I then set my main jet using an exhaust gas analyzer. I might have gone too lean, but to fix that, all I'd have to do increase my main jet, which I think is currently a 120. The car doesn't "feel" like it's running lean though. It runs similarly to when I had a 34PICT-3 on there. |
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xxbrandnew10xx
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Thanks for the info I live in the desert of Az so not much altitude here. Finally my last question and then ill be able to sleep on it and decide what to do in the morning. But i just read your write up about EMPIs 30pict1 and noticed you compared it to the Bocar and original german. I think the Bocar looks alot like the original german and from what i have read it sounds like they are pretty solid and reliable carbs but i cant find anywhere to buy them  lol call me crazy but i searched all over the google.... |
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glutamodo
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| I think the Bocar looks alot like the original german and from what i have read it sounds like they are pretty solid and reliable carbs but i cant find anywhere to buy them lol call me crazy but i searched all over the google.... |
I think they stopped making them a few years ago, which is why EMPI stepped in to fill that void. Anyway, I've bought 4 of them over the years, one off of theSamba's Classified, used. One off of eBay, New Old Stock in it's original box, but with some minor water damage. One at a swap meet. And I think the other one was either Samba or eBay, can't remember at the moment.
I do remember we used to have one of them in stock at the VW repair shop I used to work at from 1994-2001, but it was probably an older-stock item.
I just searched the Classifieds and eBay, and found this one, it's more than I paid for any of mine though, although the NOS one might have been close after shipping.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=579829 |
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rterfert
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| I have a recently rebuilt, never run 34 Pict 4, and brand new center section I'd be willing to part with. |
This would be a good choice for fuel milage (if priced right)
Otherwise I go the IDF weber route for a 1915 |
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xxbrandnew10xx
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I apologize i didnt make it make it clear im going to replace my 1915 with the single port 1600. I have dual 44 webers on the 1915 right now and i have no problem with them I just cant fit them on a 1600  |
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rterfert
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| I apologize i didnt make it make it clear im going to replace my 1915 with the single port 1600. I have dual 44 webers on the 1915 right now and i have no problem with them I just cant fit them on a 1600 |
Ok
Small or large spread on the intake where the carb sits?
That will make the difference in a 34 pict? (large spread)
or 30pict ? (small spread) some 30 picts are large spread.
I dont recall when they went to the larger spread carbs?
But there is an adaptor from large to small spread. |
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glutamodo
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Ok
Small or large spread on the intake where the carb sits?
That will make the difference in a 34 pict? (large spread)
or 30pict ? (small spread) some 30 picts are large spread.
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In all the years I've been working on and around VWs I've never seen a 30PICT that had anything other than the small bolt pattern. It's just slightly different than the 28PICT pattern, close enough that they both fit the same mounting. All the 34PICT-3 and 34PICT-4 have always had that wider spacing. Now, in Europe, where they sold a 1300 dual port engine, they had a special manifold that looked like your normal dual port setup but it had the smaller bolt pattern for the 31PICT-3 carb, same spread as on the 30 series. |
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I have a brand new in the box Brosol "30/31PICT" what up with that?
A guy around the corner from my house saw I was in to VW's and brought me down a box full of parts.
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glutamodo
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I have a brand new in the box Brosol "30/31PICT" what up with that?
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Ugh, one of those. It's kind of a cross between the 30PICT-3, the 31PICT-3 and the 34PICT-3 carbs. Not designed for any one application. Sometimes they run OK, sometimes they don't. Read lots more about that carb here:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=185095 |
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xxbrandnew10xx
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| Thanks for the suggestions and help, thanks glutamodo for pointing me in the right direction. I emailed keifernet last night and got an email this morning. I was really surprised with how fast and how detailed his email was. I will be going with a german 30 pict 1/2 I havnt really talked out all the details with him yet but will be working on a decision hopefully in a week or two i really dont want to waste his time at the moment since i dont even have the motor in my posession yet but will look forward to him doing a nice rebuild on a 30 pict carb. |
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keifernet
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| Thanks for the suggestions and help, thanks glutamodo for pointing me in the right direction. I emailed keifernet last night and got an email this morning. I was really surprised with how fast and how detailed his email was. I will be going with a german 30 pict 1/2 I havnt really talked out all the details with him yet but will be working on a decision hopefully in a week or two i really dont want to waste his time at the moment since i dont even have the motor in my posession yet but will look forward to him doing a nice rebuild on a 30 pict carb. |
I'm ready when you are... I will take care of you.
Andy is right some H 30/31's are crap out of the box... but as I have said many times.... there are DUD'S in every line of carb... old German cores/new carbs etc...
I have had really good luck with the H 30/31 carbs... I guess when as many carbs go through your hands as mine in the past few years you get a different feel for what is a good one VS the "had a bad experience with that model so it's CRAP" mentality. It's all subject to interpretation as they say and many variables apply.  |
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