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Buba Samba Member

Joined: February 23, 2003 Posts: 383 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:16 pm Post subject: L412 Diamond Green Interior (information needed) |
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Hi Folks, I recently bought an april 1957 Us Spec oval, It's Diamond Green with green leatherette interiors.
I will buy a carpet kit and headliner and I can't find any information about wich color is the correct one for my car.
On the WW table, there is no option for the green interior.
Any information will be usefull for me to decide wich one I must buy.
Thanks
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janerick3 Samba Member

Joined: June 04, 2006 Posts: 1896 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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Garwood lists 278 grey beige for the carpeting and 410-H121 light green for the headliner. However, there are several documented errors in Garwood's color charts, as much of the research for his books came from personal notes and memory, and not necessarily VW.
I'd wait for John Henry to chime in, as he probably knows more about diamond green ovals than anyone else on this site... _________________ Thanks,
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Buba Samba Member

Joined: February 23, 2003 Posts: 383 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 8:01 am Post subject: |
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Thanks!!, I'll wait John's answer too to see if his information agree with yours.
Greetings from Argentina
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johnshenry Samba Member

Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9407 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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I think grey beige is right, and I put a kahki colored headliner in my DGM '57 (see thebugshop.org). I based those colors off the colors of what I took out of the car that was original.
I don't think light green for the headliner is correct, it certainly was not what was in my '57... _________________ John Henry
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Buba Samba Member

Joined: February 23, 2003 Posts: 383 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks John.
Where do you bought the carpet and headliner on these colors?
Regards
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johnshenry Samba Member

Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9407 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 5:51 am Post subject: |
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Buba wrote: |
Thanks John.
Where do you bought the carpet and headliner on these colors?
Regards
Marcos |
I bought both the headliner and carpet from Wolfsburg West. I was very happy with the quality, the carpet is the German Squareweave. _________________ John Henry
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'56 Single Cab |
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Buba Samba Member

Joined: February 23, 2003 Posts: 383 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 6:05 am Post subject: |
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Ok, but in WW the headliners are avialable on beige and grey (not Kahki) and the carpet on Tan, Oatmeal (beige/tan), grey and characoal (not grey/beige).
Do you use some of these colors on stock or some time ago WW had more color options?
Thanks
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IN2VWS Samba Member

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Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 6:10 am Post subject: |
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Diamond Green from 1st April 1956, Chassis No. 1-148 000
Wheels - L277 Silver Beige
Wheel rims - L211 Blueish green
Carpets - T106 Greyish Beige
Upholstery - Cloth = P131 Light beige or Leatherette K178 Green or Leatherette K171 Light Beige
Seat Beading - Ko25 Light beige
Kick protection leather - K176B Brown
Headling - H120 Light Beige
Armrest - Ks17 Brown (for Cloth), Ks23 Green (for Green leatherette), Ks11 Light beige (for light beige leatherette)
Assist strap - Ks19 Light beige _________________ ( ⫏ ⫐ )
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johnshenry Samba Member

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Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 6:21 am Post subject: |
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the headliner was the beige one from WW (khaki was the only color name I could think of at the time...). The carpet I used I *think*" was the oatmeal. _________________ John Henry
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Buba Samba Member

Joined: February 23, 2003 Posts: 383 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 6:37 am Post subject: |
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johnshenry wrote: |
the headliner was the beige one from WW (khaki was the only color name I could think of at the time...). The carpet I used I *think*" was the oatmeal. |
Thanks John for your help.
Regards
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Buba Samba Member

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Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 6:38 am Post subject: |
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IN2VWS wrote: |
Diamond Green from 1st April 1956, Chassis No. 1-148 000
Wheels - L277 Silver Beige
Wheel rims - L211 Blueish green
Carpets - T106 Greyish Beige
Upholstery - Cloth = P131 Light beige or Leatherette K178 Green or Leatherette K171 Light Beige
Seat Beading - Ko25 Light beige
Kick protection leather - K176B Brown
Headling - H120 Light Beige
Armrest - Ks17 Brown (for Cloth), Ks23 Green (for Green leatherette), Ks11 Light beige (for light beige leatherette)
Assist strap - Ks19 Light beige |
Great information!!
Thanks
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Buba Samba Member

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Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 6:41 am Post subject: |
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Here you have some photos of my oval, and the fuel dipstick wich come with it. It appear to be original, but I'm not sure, what do you think?
Thanks
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kaferdude Samba Member
Joined: December 29, 2003 Posts: 54 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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I'm getting ready to paint the rims on my '57 european L-412 Diamond Green Metallic beetle. I had always thought the correct colors are L87 (Ivory) on the inside and L412 (Diamond Green) on the outside. However, when I checked the 'Car of the Century' (pg 405), it indicates L87 Ivory and L319 Green Metallic. Could this be typo; should it read L412? For that matter, I can't even find L319 Green Metallic anywhere - including on this website at the Technical - Paint/Upholstery section. Any thoughts?
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Dan
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L378 Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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One of the problems with accesory paint (read rims) is that you can't find the color. I went through the same thing with my prairie beige oval and others have gone through the same issue with their coral red ride. You wont have an issue with your outer rim matching your body color if you choose to do so.
However, a quick check of glasurit's website http://color-online.glasurit.com/
and L319 comes up for several paint lines.
Finally, and most importantly I was provided VW documentation that states a diamond green car would have inner rim L277 silver beige & outer L211 bluish-green. L277 is in glasurit's database L211 is NOT
You can see that info posted in this thread http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2...highlight= |
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Blauchen L331 Samba Member

Joined: November 16, 2011 Posts: 1270 Location: Gainesville, Florida
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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kaferdude wrote: |
I'm getting ready to paint the rims on my '57 european L-412 Diamond Green Metallic beetle. I had always thought the correct colors are L87 (Ivory) on the inside and L412 (Diamond Green) on the outside. However, when I checked the 'Car of the Century' (pg 405), it indicates L87 Ivory and L319 Green Metallic. Could this be typo; should it read L412? For that matter, I can't even find L319 Green Metallic anywhere - including on this website at the Technical - Paint/Upholstery section. Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Dan
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Dan,
I once owned a "one family" owned August 1956 L 412 diamond green Euro Oval (see photo) and the original wheels where ivory outers and slightly darker metallic inners. I'm pretty sure the colors darker than diamond green.
The hubcaps also had diamond green emblems painted as original.
Many European cars had the reverse painted wheels, don't know why? But I've seen quite a few one owner Ovals while I lived in Germany and that's just how it was.....
Ohh I did notice a mistake on that list though for the 1957 L 331 horizon blue cars.
The wheel outers were L 33 grey-blue and the inners L 87 ivory white at least on all post April 1957 L 331 cars. (my car is #158xxxx) and my rims/wheels are 100% original to the car.
1956 horizon blue cars had horizon blue outers.
Tom _________________ OG PAINT L331 JUNE 1957 TYPE 1 OVAL WINDOW
(US Army In Germany POV/Grey Market Special Ordered Car from MAHAG Munich)
Delivered with Semaphores - German "Puntchen" Cloth Polkadotted Interior -
USA RAM Protection/Export Overrider Bumpers - MPH Speedometer -
Sealed Beam Headlights and Bullet Front Turn Signals!
99.9% ORIGINAL PARTS WITH ONLY 33,000 ORIGINAL MILES/ GARAGE FIND/ UNRESTORED CAR
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janerick3 Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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Page 405 is one of the pages corrected in the second (1987) printing of Volume 1.
The 60 copies in the first (1986) printing show the body color for the outer rims. Garwood mentioned they "were based on refinishing charts used by dealers...[and] were revised thereafter..."
For Coral Red cars, the L74 Red Brown/L87 Pearl White combination is correct as shown on the revised page, so I suspect the L319/L87 combination is also correct for Diamond Green cars. _________________ Thanks,
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detroitjohnny Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:43 am Post subject: |
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There are many more pictures of my car in the gallery, but all 5 wheels are OG date coded to the car and OG paint.
They are darker than Diamond green and are NOT metallic. If you would like, I can take some close up pictures later today and post those. _________________ ostkuste |
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L378 Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:51 am Post subject: |
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Not harshing on Garwood at all, but an earlier poster (IN2VWS) has the documentation. The information he posted previously in this thread is correct and I repost the portions of the documents again from the other thread I referenced which I hope he doesn't mind.
L277 and L211 as noted by an owner with og rims - not quite body color (as was often the case) and unless you can get a color match, there is no paint formula. |
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Buba Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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kaferdude wrote: |
I'm getting ready to paint the rims on my '57 european L-412 Diamond Green Metallic beetle. I had always thought the correct colors are L87 (Ivory) on the inside and L412 (Diamond Green) on the outside. However, when I checked the 'Car of the Century' (pg 405), it indicates L87 Ivory and L319 Green Metallic. Could this be typo; should it read L412? For that matter, I can't even find L319 Green Metallic anywhere - including on this website at the Technical - Paint/Upholstery section. Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Dan
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Dan, I bought another Diamond Green Oval, this one was in very original condition but repainted.
This is when I found it.
When restored I found the original paint on rims, and it's very similar to detroitjohnny's car.
Here you can see it.
If you want to see more photos click this link.
http://www.mundoescarabajo.com.ar/me/viewtopic.php...mp;start=0
Regards
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JeeWee Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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check more pictures on http://www.traumkäfer.de/
30.000km original car and interior. Wheels are according to me also OG! |
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