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rebel1968
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side markers aren't working?
Do they only come on when park lights are turned on? |
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rebel1968
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| Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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Worked it out take keys out of ignition,turn blinker arm to the side you want lit up.
Called economy lights,so drivers can see your car when your parked. |
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Mine work as sidemarkers only with the ignition on or off.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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Worked it out take keys out of ignition,turn blinker arm to the side you want lit up.
Called economy lights,so drivers can see your car when your parked. |
This is the original purpose. The only current draw is one dash light and one side lamp. It can run all night like that and the car will start.
Mine are now wired with the turn signals and 4-ways. |
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Worked it out take keys out of ignition,turn blinker arm to the side you want lit up.
Called economy lights,so drivers can see your car when your parked. |
This is the original purpose. The only current draw is one dash light and one side lamp. It can run all night like that and the car will start.
Mine are now wired with the turn signals and 4-ways. |
Yup, both my 64 and my 65 are wired up like that. 
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KTPhil
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| By the way, part of the equipment for the original parking light functions extra wires/contacts in the turn signal switch. This makes the USA switches a different part number than the Euros. It looks like the holes are there in the USA switches but not the contacts and wires. Maybe one could take two old USA units and make them into one Euro? I've never tried or seen it, but maybe... |
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ataraxia
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The ignition has a grey "P" wire for the side light function, the turn signal arm has a second contact and the contact plate has an additional row of contacts for cars with side marker lights.
The US bound vehicles don't have the grey wire on the ignition, the second row of contacts and they only have four wires at the connection plate on the ignition column.
One could tap the existing turn indicator wires to add side markers without changing three pieces in the column but they'd function like turn indicators vs. parking lights. |
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KTPhil
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| Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| One could tap the existing turn indicator wires to add side markers without changing three pieces in the column but they'd function like turn indicators vs. parking lights. |
This is exactly the mod we are talking about on our cars.
My replacement ignition switch had the grey P wire. I wonder if they were clipped, or maybe just not hooked anywhere on USA models? |
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ataraxia
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| KTPhil wrote: |
| ataraxia wrote: |
| One could tap the existing turn indicator wires to add side markers without changing three pieces in the column but they'd function like turn indicators vs. parking lights. |
This is exactly the mod we are talking about on our cars.
My replacement ignition switch had the grey P wire. I wonder if they were clipped, or maybe just not hooked anywhere on USA models? |
95% of the ignitions I find that are NOS are the euro version with the grey P wire. I can't imagine they made too many of the US only ignitions so the wires were likely 'left somewhere', although I thought they were hot from the ignition to the fuse panel. It's been a long time since I've screwed around with it specifically so I don't really remember. The grey wire is easy enough to remove (heat up the solder on the back of the switch and it comes right out)...or they could have just connected it to the fuse panel and left it there without the other side hooked up. |
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vlad01
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| Its funny how everyone has side markers. Not even ones of my type 3s ever had them. I wonder why that is? |
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| 95% of the ignitions I find that are NOS are the euro version with the grey P wire. I can't imagine they made too many of the US only ignitions so the wires were likely 'left somewhere', although I thought they were hot from the ignition to the fuse panel. It's been a long time since I've screwed around with it specifically so I don't really remember. The grey wire is easy enough to remove (heat up the solder on the back of the switch and it comes right out)...or they could have just connected it to the fuse panel and left it there without the other side hooked up. |
I recently discovered this loose grey wire under the dash and wondered what it did or where it goes. Looking at the wiring diagram in the manual, it connects to an unused terminal in the fuse box. If you're saying that it is a hot wire, I better reconnect it or tape it up... |
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ataraxia
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| ataraxia wrote: |
| 95% of the ignitions I find that are NOS are the euro version with the grey P wire. I can't imagine they made too many of the US only ignitions so the wires were likely 'left somewhere', although I thought they were hot from the ignition to the fuse panel. It's been a long time since I've screwed around with it specifically so I don't really remember. The grey wire is easy enough to remove (heat up the solder on the back of the switch and it comes right out)...or they could have just connected it to the fuse panel and left it there without the other side hooked up. |
I recently discovered this loose grey wire under the dash and wondered what it did or where it goes. Looking at the wiring diagram in the manual, it connects to an unused terminal in the fuse box. If you're saying that it is a hot wire, I better reconnect it or tape it up... |
I'm almost positive it's a hot wire. IIRC, it goes to the #4 fuse slot. Maybe you could check it with a meter and confirm my suspicion. I'm wrong quite a lot as well.  |
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| ataraxia wrote: |
| 95% of the ignitions I find that are NOS are the euro version with the grey P wire. I can't imagine they made too many of the US only ignitions so the wires were likely 'left somewhere', although I thought they were hot from the ignition to the fuse panel. It's been a long time since I've screwed around with it specifically so I don't really remember. The grey wire is easy enough to remove (heat up the solder on the back of the switch and it comes right out)...or they could have just connected it to the fuse panel and left it there without the other side hooked up. |
I recently discovered this loose grey wire under the dash and wondered what it did or where it goes. Looking at the wiring diagram in the manual, it connects to an unused terminal in the fuse box. If you're saying that it is a hot wire, I better reconnect it or tape it up... |
I'm almost positive it's a hot wire. IIRC, it goes to the #4 fuse slot. Maybe you could check it with a meter and confirm my suspicion. I'm wrong quite a lot as well. |
The grey wire would be "hot" whenever the key is turned off.
I can't remember if the ignition has to be in the lock position or just off so that would be something to check with a meter.
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ataraxia
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| Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:31 am Post subject: |
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| ataraxia wrote: |
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| 95% of the ignitions I find that are NOS are the euro version with the grey P wire. I can't imagine they made too many of the US only ignitions so the wires were likely 'left somewhere', although I thought they were hot from the ignition to the fuse panel. It's been a long time since I've screwed around with it specifically so I don't really remember. The grey wire is easy enough to remove (heat up the solder on the back of the switch and it comes right out)...or they could have just connected it to the fuse panel and left it there without the other side hooked up. |
I recently discovered this loose grey wire under the dash and wondered what it did or where it goes. Looking at the wiring diagram in the manual, it connects to an unused terminal in the fuse box. If you're saying that it is a hot wire, I better reconnect it or tape it up... |
I'm almost positive it's a hot wire. IIRC, it goes to the #4 fuse slot. Maybe you could check it with a meter and confirm my suspicion. I'm wrong quite a lot as well. |
The grey wire would be "hot" whenever the key is turned off.
I can't remember if the ignition has to be in the lock position or just off so that would be something to check with a meter. |
Yeah, I should have specified the 'off' part...I am also unsure of which position the lock is in when the wire becomes hot.
Thanks for confirming! |
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KTPhil
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| Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:39 am Post subject: |
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In items 10 and 11, the 4th symbol from the left is a picture of a pair if side markers (parking lights). This cover was also used for USA models which lacked the side markers.
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ataraxia
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In items 10 and 11, the 4th symbol from the left is a picture of a pair if side markers (parking lights). This cover was also used for USA models which lacked the side markers.
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Notice that the 10 slot fuse cover doesn't show the side marker lights? I bet there are more 66 and earlier cars with side markers than 67 and later but with the cover being a Type 1 part, they're not represented on the cover.
The wiring diagram shows that the early cars had the grey wire at the 4th fuse from the right:
The later cars (67 and later) with the 12 slot fuse box show the "P" wire at the 6th slot from the right which jives with the covers shown. These covers are Type 3 parts.
I've found a few errors in the parts book so I find a little comfort in confirming the accuracy of the parts vs. the book. |
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KTPhil
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My original 12-fuse '71 fuse-box cover has the parking light icon.
Were the Type 3 parking lights un-fused before '67 like the old Bug in-bucket parking lights were?
EDIT: I see they were in fact fused.
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ataraxia
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My original 12-fuse '71 fuse-box cover has the parking light icon.
Were the Type 3 parking lights un-fused before '67 like the old Bug in-bucket parking lights were? |
This was my point. In 67, the Type 3 got a 12 slot fuse box and Type 3 specific fuse cover that indicates the location of the fuse specifically for the side parking lights.
311 937 505 F, Fuse box (12 fuses) without cover from Ch. No. 311 000 001
311 937 505 G, Fuse box (12 fuses) without cover from Ch. No. 312 2000 001
311 937 555 B, Cover -Fuse box (12 fuses) from Ch. No. 317 000 001 to 319 500 000
311 937 555 C, Cover -Fuse box, (12 point) from Ch. No. 310 2000 001 to 310 2500 000
111 937 555 D, Cover -Fuse box (12 fuses) from Ch. No. 311 2000 001
311 937 505 A, Fuse box (10 fuses) without cover to Ch. No. 316 500 000
111 937 555 A, Cover -Fuse box (10 fuses) to Ch. No. 316 500 000
Prior to 67, the fuse box was a 10 slot and the 4th fuse from the right was dedicated to the side parking lights but the fuse cover was a Type 1 part-hence no picture of the side parking light on the cover. The wiring diagram above is for 66 and earlier Type 3s.
(edited to add part numbers)
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KTPhil
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Aha! Got it.
I think there has been a real attempt to save the older Type 3 cars in the last few years, so the parking lights are showing up. Then you have people like me with newer cars that like them and retrofit them. Pretty soon we will find "RARE vintage fender w/o parking lights" ads in the "official whine" forum!  |
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