1960 Split Bus pop out catches

[faux]

I'm trying find out why there is a difference between long spoon and medium spoon pop out catches. I keep getting told that they are the same fit and will fit all years but the photos here show something different. The long spoon is a repro and came off my 1960 Kombi (closes the window perfectly), and the medium spoon is an original but will not fit, (the spacing means the spoon won't fully close).

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Can anyone share pictures of medium spoons fitted?

[BruceFD]

I found this to be the case on my 1959 Micro as well. The medium latch will not fit no matter how much adjusting and bending I do to the latch or bracket on the pop out. Original and Repop 'long' spoon works fine and closes great.

Anyone know if VW made different medium spoons post barndoor?

[tasb]

I have a medium spoon on my 1957 Kombi. My understanding is that it was factory installed on the forward cargo door so that it will not interfere with opening the passenger front door. My other five spoons are the long ones. I’ve not noticed any issues with my spoons. I am away from home so can’t take pictures.
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=599927&highlight=pop+window+latch
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The mystery is solved to a certain extent. There are adjustable plates at the rear of a 60 bus which allows fitment of the medium spoons but the others are factory and will only allow short and long spoons.

[BruceFD]

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I was told that a 58 had adjustable plates (like the rears on the 60) all around. I haven’t seen this but it was from the person I bought the medium spoons from.

I would really like to know the differences in catches and the years they were introduced and fitted. I don’t seem to know anyone who can answer this and the repro catches all say up to 67 and are all universal. Now I know different, unless the repros are based on the smaller footprint (which would fit all my windows).

[Stocknazi]

No bus had six (6) long spoons. A spoon latch (some like to call them medium spoon) was always used on the forward cargo door to prevent the passenger door from smashing into the window when opened. Long spoon latches used on the other five (5) windows.

Are your pop-out window frames original or reproduction?
If your reproduction latches fit and the originals do not I would suspect the frames are not original. No way to tell without pics of what you have going on though.

All buses have the same slotted plates in the rear AFAIK. I've never had any issues with long spoon or "medium" spoon latches working with original pop-out frames. No changes to the pop-out window mounting sheet metal or frames that I know of.
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[faux]

That is what I thought, but my 60 has all original pop outs and the original plates welded to the bus.

Why would they have slotted rear if it wasn’t to allow for this? Apart from one long spoon, all of my pop outs catches are original.

So, if what you are saying is correct, how are long spoon and medium spoon fittings 2/8” different? It isn’t an issue with the bus, it is the difference in the catches dimensions that causes the problem, thus the medium and long spoons fittings on rear due to the slots. Some has said that their 58 had slots all round but I haven’t seen these in the flesh or in picture.

[BarryL]

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[GERMANAIRE]

Here is a picture of the medium spoon latch on the front cargo door as it came from factory. Hope this helps.

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