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jkaput Samba Member
Joined: February 18, 2020 Posts: 168 Location: Northampton, MA
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 11:01 am Post subject: How concerned should I be? On vacation. |
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Hi again.
How concerned should I be about this noise? I’m on vacation again. And I’m zero for around eight for a stress free wife experience when it comes to this van and our vacations.
I’m hoping I can just deal with it later?
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4Gears4Tires Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2018 Posts: 4322 Location: MD
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 11:31 am Post subject: Re: How concerned should I be? On vacation. |
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Well, man, you got a few problems.
1. Your motor mounts are shot
2. Your exhaust is leaking
3. Your O2 sensor is non operational and needs to be replaced
But your engine doesn't leak oil and you've got new axles, so that's nice. I don't even know what sound you're referring to. The grumbly brbrbrbrbr (which is probably an exhaust leak) or the high pitched eee eee eee (which is probably your motor mounts.)
Probably ignore it. Unless anyone has a keener ear and can discern any problems. _________________ '87 Syncro Ferric Oxyhydroxide Superleggera Edition
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Abscate  Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 24075 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 11:44 am Post subject: Re: How concerned should I be? On vacation. |
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As long as your vacationing at Smith College, you're fine.
Exhaust leak not too serious.
Rough running - cap rotor plugs wires.
Get that wiring cleaned up - look at that wire sawing itself on that sheet metal! _________________ 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🍊 🍊 🍊 |
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SCM Samba Member

Joined: January 26, 2011 Posts: 3408 Location: Bozeman MT
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: How concerned should I be? On vacation. |
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Yeah, I'm with 4gears.
It's not clear what sound you're referring to. With your O2 sensor wire being severed in two I'm guessing your mpg is pretty bad. _________________ '91 Westfalia GL Automatic (GTA "Turbo" Rebuild w/Peloquin) and 2.3L GoWesty Engine |
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vanagonjr Samba Member

Joined: October 07, 2010 Posts: 3640 Location: Dartmouth, Mass.
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syncrodoka Samba Member

Joined: December 27, 2005 Posts: 12353 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 1:35 pm Post subject: Re: How concerned should I be? On vacation. |
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Right at the end of the clip, center of frame, it looks like your header is broken in half. That could explain the noise. |
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SCM Samba Member

Joined: January 26, 2011 Posts: 3408 Location: Bozeman MT
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: How concerned should I be? On vacation. |
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That might be his O2 sensor wire dangling down in front of the header making it look like a crack. Hard to tell. _________________ '91 Westfalia GL Automatic (GTA "Turbo" Rebuild w/Peloquin) and 2.3L GoWesty Engine |
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syncrodoka Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: How concerned should I be? On vacation. |
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SCM wrote: |
That might be his O2 sensor wire dangling down in front of the header making it look like a crack. Hard to tell. |
To the right of that, where it transitions from tan to crusty. |
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SCM Samba Member

Joined: January 26, 2011 Posts: 3408 Location: Bozeman MT
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: How concerned should I be? On vacation. |
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syncrodoka wrote: |
SCM wrote: |
That might be his O2 sensor wire dangling down in front of the header making it look like a crack. Hard to tell. |
To the right of that, where it transitions from tan to crusty. |
Ahh, yeah, could be.
OP, if that's truly a crack on your header you might have some temporary luck with some sort of exhaust tape / clamps from a local car parts store to quiet the noise for the rest of your trip. _________________ '91 Westfalia GL Automatic (GTA "Turbo" Rebuild w/Peloquin) and 2.3L GoWesty Engine |
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jlrftype7 Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2018 Posts: 4646 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: How concerned should I be? On vacation. |
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Another video, this one with the view looking DOWN on the engine from the top, with the cover REMOVED, would help all of us. This way we can see how much movement your engine mounts are allowing, if the Altn. is wobbling a bunch.
Won't change what appears to be an exhaust leak, but adds info for the Samba Hive Mind to help you. _________________ '68 Westy- my first VW and vehicle/Bus- long gone.- sold it to a traveling Swiss couple....
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jkaput Samba Member
Joined: February 18, 2020 Posts: 168 Location: Northampton, MA
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: How concerned should I be? On vacation. |
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Sorry everyone. Cell service is rough in the White Mtns.
Cut the O2 bc it stumbles when it’s connected and runs really rough. Not sure why but I’m not going to puzzle that out here.
The clack clack sound like metal on metal. Intermittent. It seems to go away under load but that could just be the increase in frequency making it hard hear.
It’s definitely increased on this trip. I’ll make another video when I get all the shit out of the back (it’s jammed to the gills).
The exhaust is new btw but I was wondering if there was a leak myself.
As long as it makes it back to mass (smith college area to be exact!!) I’m fine. It can blow up at home all it wants. My wife will lose it if we have another vacation van fiasco.
Me too maybe. |
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Wildthings Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: How concerned should I be? On vacation. |
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The one noise sounds like an exhaust leak. With the exhaust cold, crawl underneath and be ready to quickly feel for leaks once the wife starts the engine, you have maybe 30 seconds to safely do this before the exhaust is hot enough to burn you. |
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zerotofifty Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 4:59 pm Post subject: Re: How concerned should I be? On vacation. |
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What to be concerned about? Well you dont appear to have any oil leak, suggesting you have run out of oil.  _________________ Sorry About That Chief.
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WiboBusMan Samba Member

Joined: September 26, 2009 Posts: 171 Location: Canada
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: How concerned should I be? On vacation. |
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With the O2 sensor not plugged in, your ECU will provide a basic map without the fine adjustments the sensor provides. It may well be that the exhaust leak was screwing up the mix making it run badly because the sensor was seeing too much oxygen... If the exhaust does leak, your mpgs will likely be better with it unplugged - obviously the best is with a tight exhaust and a fresh, plugged in sensor.
The clanking sound reminds me of a water pump at the end of it's life - hard to tell, given the recording quality (microphone placement) and the symphony of sounds...
With engine off and preferably cold, inspect the water pump for any sign of weaping or leaks, and try moving the pulley axially (in and out) or otherwise check for looseness or wobbling - there should be no noticeable movement except radialy (rotation).
Water pumps generally don't fail catastrophically, they usually get progressively louder and weap or leak a little more as the mileage piles up. I've done over over a thousand miles on a failing water pump. It's loud and embarrassing, mostly for the wife.
While you have the engine cold, shake the exhaust pipes and see if you can replicate the sound to track it down.
Auto or manual? My buddy's auto transmission had a cracked flex plate that sounded a bit like that.
Keep us posted on how you make out. Always an adventure, isn't it...
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4Gears4Tires Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2018 Posts: 4322 Location: MD
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Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: How concerned should I be? On vacation. |
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jkaput wrote: |
The clack clack sound like metal on metal. Intermittent. It seems to go away under load but that could just be the increase in frequency making it hard hear. |
Probably is metal on metal from your broken engine mounts. But it's also probably a heat shield touching an exhaust pipe or something. Your motor won't fall out, so shift and brake smoothly and you'll cruise home np.
I wouldn't worry about anything I see in that video. I would get a bit more serious about maintenance once home though. (says the guy with 2 new mounts in a box.) _________________ '87 Syncro Ferric Oxyhydroxide Superleggera Edition
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danfromsyr Samba Member

Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15391 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 6:17 am Post subject: Re: How concerned should I be? On vacation. |
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from what we can see that exhaust is far from new.
ok well maybe 1-2 yrs of new england winter new.
is that silver anti seize on the base of the O2 bung? _________________
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OlisGarage Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 7:13 am Post subject: Re: How concerned should I be? On vacation. |
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jkaput wrote: |
Sorry everyone. Cell service is rough in the White Mtns.
Cut the O2 bc it stumbles when it’s connected and runs really rough. Not sure why but I’m not going to puzzle that out here.
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As long as it makes it back to mass (smith college area to be exact!!) I’m fine. It can blow up at home all it wants. My wife will lose it if we have another vacation van fiasco.
Me too maybe. |
Herein lies the problem. You don’t seem to fix issues as they arise. Cutting an O2 sensor wire to make it run better is not fixing problems. With that approach to “fixing” things you’ll never have a hassle free vacation with the van. _________________ 1981 VW Vangagon TDI (in progress)
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16CVs Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 8:55 am Post subject: Re: How concerned should I be? On vacation. |
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Seems like all systems normal, if your fix is cutting the O2 sensor wire, why didn't you just dis connect it?
If your wife does hear the exhaust leak and she's fine as long as you're rolling then you're goo to go.
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zerotofifty Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 10:25 am Post subject: Re: How concerned should I be? On vacation. |
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OlisGarage wrote: |
jkaput wrote: |
Sorry everyone. Cell service is rough in the White Mtns.
Cut the O2 bc it stumbles when it’s connected and runs really rough. Not sure why but I’m not going to puzzle that out here.
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As long as it makes it back to mass (smith college area to be exact!!) I’m fine. It can blow up at home all it wants. My wife will lose it if we have another vacation van fiasco.
Me too maybe. |
Herein lies the problem. You don’t seem to fix issues as they arise. Cutting an O2 sensor wire to make it run better is not fixing problems. With that approach to “fixing” things you’ll never have a hassle free vacation with the van. |
Not only not having a hassle free vacation but also...The removal of the oxygen sensor input means a key protection of the catalytic convertor from damage by a less than optimal fuel mixture is gone. Them there catalysts are extremely expensive. Removal of the Oxygen sensor signal means that say in the case of one leaky injector, one really rich cylinder to the point of misfire, that the engine will run better without that O2 sensor as with the sensor the unconsumed oxygen from that rich misfire cause the oxygen sensor to tell the brain (ecu) to go richer on all cylinders, so now all four are running bad. Remove the oxygen sensor and the three "good " cylinders will resort to the programmed fuel mixture used when O2 signal is lost, which will run them sort of right, and the one leaky injector cylinder will still be super rich, but at least the other three are running better now, so that the removal of the O2 sensor appears to be a "fix" Now you drive her more with that "fix" and that rich one cylinder is now burning out your catalyst, diluting your engine oil, causing excessive cylinder/piston wear. Sure it does run better now than with the O2 sensor connected, but the source problem MAY be still there and causing continued damage to the engine. _________________ Sorry About That Chief.
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danfromsyr Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 10:28 am Post subject: Re: How concerned should I be? On vacation. |
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I'd wager that to disconnect it would have required access to the top of the engine (tin) and the rear hatch is full of camping and living gear.
it's a tad extreme but ... it happens
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Seems like all systems normal, if your fix is cutting the O2 sensor wire, why didn't you just dis connect it?
If your wife does hear the exhaust leak and she's fine as long as you're rolling then you're goo to go.
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