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Kb65single
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 Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2024 8:07 am Post subject: Re: VW Bus rear apron comparisons |
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[quote="Ring-Free"]I have a question about the rear valance
If I fit a repro rear valance flush with the corners and the lower edge of the engine lid, I have a gap where the seal goes. What are the dimensions of an original one at this point? If I fit it further in, the lock does not grip properly
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While fitting my apron I had to create that same gap (approximately 3mm) in order to make the apron flush with the corner metal. I rebuilt an original apron ( 65 SC ). Here are the dimensions in the pictures. I included the measurement of the top of the metal that houses the rubber seal since you are dealing with a repro. I welded a piece of plate metal on the apron where it bolts to the frame end. That way it would stay constant when I took it on and off. Without the plate the engine lid was way inside of the drivers and passenger corners. My rubber seal fit fine in the closed position.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 25, 2024 11:37 am Post subject: Re: VW Bus rear apron comparisons |
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I have a question about the rear valance
If I fit a repro rear valance flush with the corners and the lower edge of the engine lid, I have a gap where the seal goes. What are the dimensions of an original one at this point? If I fit it further in, the lock does not grip properly
Thanks
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| Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2024 10:04 am Post subject: Re: VW Bus rear apron comparisons |
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| Eric&Barb wrote: |
| If you look at the previous post of ours the latch catch position for the earlier aprons are lower down than what you have. So the later engine lid latch will not engage an earlier apron catch. Thusly matching lid and apron are required. |
Makes sense... thanks for the quick reply! |
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2024 9:28 am Post subject: Re: VW Bus rear apron comparisons |
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If you look at the previous post of ours the latch catch position for the earlier aprons are lower down than what you have. So the later engine lid latch will not engage an earlier apron catch. Thusly matching lid and apron are required.
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Buskraut
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| Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2024 11:41 pm Post subject: Re: VW Bus rear apron comparisons |
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Resurrecting this thread because I have a related mystery to solve:
I have a 65 bus with a banged up rear apron that I'd like to replace. Looking at this thread, it is clearly from a 66-67 bus. The latch/lock on the engine lid also has the latch with the little grab hook like a 66-67. I don't know the history of the bus so it's entirely possible it was hit and all they could find to repair was a 66-67 apron and engine lid/lock.
My question is: If I want to bring it back to stock, can I just buy a new 59-65 apron from WW? https://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=211813175B
And if so, would I need to buy a new matching engine lid, or perhaps just the lock/latch?
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2022 8:14 pm Post subject: Re: VW Bus rear apron comparisons |
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| Frozensolidtacos wrote: |
I figured where I need to fix and such for the cut outs. I just wanted to know if where the cutouts are is flat or curved. Mine is damaged curved so it's hard to tell which way it's suppose to go |
Also just like the lower straight edge the curves of the cut out have a slight flange of sheet metal bent forward. This is to stiffen the metal so it does not vibrate too badly that will cause cracking of the metal.
Here is a 1966 NOS apron EB uploaded to the gallery, cut out is same size:
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Frozensolidtacos
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2022 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: VW Bus rear apron comparisons |
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| Eric&Barb wrote: |
| Other possibility is if you contact Klassicfab and see if they will make you a repair piece. Since they make the whole rear apron, it should be easy for them to make just part of it. |
I figured where I need to fix and such for the cut outs. I just wanted to know if where the cutouts are is flat or curved. Mine is damaged curved so it's hard to tell which way it's suppose to go |
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2022 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: VW Bus rear apron comparisons |
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Other possibility is if you contact Klassicfab and see if they will make you a repair piece. Since they make the whole rear apron, it should be easy for them to make just part of it.
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2022 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: VW Bus rear apron comparisons |
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| Frozensolidtacos wrote: |
| Sorry. 63 DC. |
No worries. Center of the hole is about 11.5" or 32cm from left edge of apron. Problem is the hole is not just a round hole half cut into the apron. The places that would be corners of the hole (where it meets the lower straight edge of the apron) are each radiused with a curve on each side.
Your best bet is to get a ruined rear apron due to rust or upper damage, and use that for a repair piece. If you post an image of your apron and put "WTB" in front of the advert title with something like "ISO damaged rear apron for repair piece." or something like that in the classifieds.
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Frozensolidtacos
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2022 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: VW Bus rear apron comparisons |
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| Eric&Barb wrote: |
| Frozensolidtacos wrote: |
I'm trying to repair holes like in this thread but have no reference to go off of.
Where the exhaust cutouts are, is the metal there suppose to be flat from top to bottom or curved? |
ALWAYS helps to know year of bus in question. Also good to at least read thru the first page with the images and explanations of each era of rear apron. So far as we know none of the buses should have more than one exhaust cut outs. |
Sorry. 63 DC. |
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2022 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: VW Bus rear apron comparisons |
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| Frozensolidtacos wrote: |
I'm trying to repair holes like in this thread but have no reference to go off of.
Where the exhaust cutouts are, is the metal there suppose to be flat from top to bottom or curved? |
ALWAYS helps to know year of bus in question. Also good to at least read thru the first page with the images and explanations of each era of rear apron. So far as we know none of the buses should have more than one exhaust cut outs.
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2022 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: VW Bus rear apron comparisons |
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I'm trying to repair holes like in this thread but have no reference to go off of.
Where the exhaust cutouts are, is the metal there suppose to be flat from top to bottom or curved? |
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Marcos:
A= 39mm
B= 9mm
C= 10mm
D= 21mm
E= 2 mm
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Great Riff Raff. I just see this answer
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Marcos:
A= 39mm
B= 9mm
C= 10mm
D= 21mm
E= 2mm
The entire cutout is cut out of the front face and rear face of the apron. On the one I am using for measurement, those two faces do not line up perfectly top to bottom. Because of that, there is actually only 7mm space for C.
I hope that makes sense. I can't comment on any other aprons, but it would be prudent to get a second opinion.
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| will the '58 decklid latch to the later apron? |
Yes
That is the configuration on my Sept 58 SC - aftermarket brakelight decklid and stock 59-65 apron. |
Thanks. I thought it looked the same. |
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| I have a 36hp '58 bus with crankstart apron and flat decklid. If I wanted to run a 1600cc motor in this bus can I simply switch the apron to a 59-65 style and use with factory 1600cc exhaust/tailpipe? I guess what I am asking is will the '58 decklid latch to the later apron? |
i believe the latch is in the same place on a 58 or 59-65 apron.
i did have an issue w/the tailpipe and damper hitting the rear bumper mount and had to make a spacer for the mount tab on the stock muffler
i am using a 65 decklid and apron combo
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Marcos:
A= 39mm
B= 9mm
C= 10mm
D= 21mm
E= 2mm
The entire cutout is cut out of the front face and rear face of the apron. On the one I am using for measurement, those two faces do not line up perfectly top to bottom. Because of that, there is actually only 7mm space for C.
I hope that makes sense. I can't comment on any other aprons, but it would be prudent to get a second opinion.
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| will the '58 decklid latch to the later apron? |
Yes
That is the configuration on my Sept 58 SC - aftermarket brakelight decklid and stock 59-65 apron.
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| I have a 36hp '58 bus with crankstart apron and flat decklid. If I wanted to run a 1600cc motor in this bus can I simply switch the apron to a 59-65 style and use with factory 1600cc exhaust/tailpipe? I guess what I am asking is will the '58 decklid latch to the later apron? |
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Hi Folks, can someone take this measures for me? I have to make the hole in my apron. If you can take them in milimeters will be great. 
Now with a better pic.
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That is a 40hp engine.
Sounds normal. |
it is a bit confusing at first for us europeans that the US engine horsepower ratings are different from the original ratings.
In Germany a 1200cc with the removable generator stand has 34PS
In the US that is a 40 horse...
the 30PS motor is a 36 horse in the US
the original 24.5PS motor is a 30 horse in the US and so forth.
considering that there are actual 40, 42, 44 and 47PS motors in europe, you can just imagine that this is an easy mistake to make.
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