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hellenic vanagon
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 Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:45 pm Post subject: Re: Real Life Crash Test |
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Regarding the fact that such an accident may be deadly, in a lot of cases, how do you grade your vanagon behavior?
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Ahwahnee
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: Real Life Crash Test |
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Excellent photo. That cross bar (#2) is what absorbed the impact on mine (shown with the replacement bar):
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hellenic vanagon
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Real Life Crash Test |
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| wdkwild wrote: |
| Does anyone have or know where I can ge t an exploded vies of as one described " "spider" construction in the front". I need to see how constructed beneath the exterior. Thx |
Please come to the Heresy, (The Syncro Heresy, the passive safety of the Vanagon): http://www.vwsyncro.eu/p/blog-page_18.html
Please tell me if you need more info.
(Better to call it "The cobweb?")
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wdkwild
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:50 am Post subject: Re: Real Life Crash Test |
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| Does anyone have or know where I can ge t an exploded vies of as one described " "spider" construction in the front". I need to see how constructed beneath the exterior. Thx |
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hellenic vanagon
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:29 am Post subject: Re: Real Life Crash Test |
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Missing photo from the page 9
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hellenic vanagon
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:22 am Post subject: Re: Real Life Crash Test |
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In memorial
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hellenic vanagon
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| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: Real Life Crash Test |
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But
vanagon can do this:
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or even this:
(Greek trial 1990, George Raptopoulos, champion with Syncro).
In memorial.
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hellenic vanagon
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| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 12:34 pm Post subject: Re: Real Life Crash Test |
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| Terry Kay wrote: |
I'd like to see a vanagon diving off of a cliff and driving away from the point of impact--- |
No sir, this can only be done by a Tatra!
Crusial point at: 04:52
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syncrodoka
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| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: Real Life Crash Test |
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Would the passengers survive a fall in a car with no crumple zones?
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Terry Kay
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| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: Real Life Crash Test |
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Think Your Vanagon is tough?
Watch this--way ahead of it's time--Mighty Fine Car.
I'd like to see a vanagon diving off of a cliff and driving away from the point of impact---
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hellenic vanagon
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| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:39 am Post subject: Re: Real Life Crash Test |
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Some more, random, data to compare the structural integrity of vanagon, (2wd, Syncro is stiffer) :
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syncrodoka
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| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 10:41 am Post subject: Re: Real Life Crash Test |
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| Team WorldTour wrote: |
Yup. When the tarp flies up, you can see there is nothing in the back (in response to the 'Bricks' comment).
Testing the barrier at a new facility, that would go along with my comment, 'going way too fast'.
I understand the video is not a real crash test. I was merely commenting on the 'bricks' statement, and offering my own idea. |
Look inside of the truck. The back seat is missing and it is filled a few feet high with bags of something as well as you can see the same bags in the passenger side footwell piled above the seat. The treasure chest area is likely filled with the same weights as well.
It could easily be bags of bricks to keep the debris from flying everywhere inside the cabin. If the bed was filled with weight it would fly out.
Since it is a 6 seater there is a partition wall behind the front seats that would keep the weight in the rear passenger area without flying forward on impact making it a better candidate than most for a extreme test.
Obviously the video isn't a real life crash test. There is no data cable, crash test dummy, vehicle markings etc. The video has been long rumored to have been a test of the machine's full capabilities and not of the vehicle. |
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hellenic vanagon
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| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 9:32 am Post subject: Re: Real Life Crash Test |
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Yup. When the tarp flies up, you can see there is nothing in the back (in response to the 'Bricks' comment).
Testing the barrier at a new facility, that would go along with my comment, 'going way too fast'.
I understand the video is not a real crash test. I was merely commenting on the 'bricks' statement, and offering my own idea. |
Well, it may be this kind of test:
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But
since t3 has much stiffer linear compression than, almost, any passenger car,
(Data taken from NHTSA's documents).
and even more than it's successor Eurovan,
(Data for 2wd. Syncro is stiffer).
and much stiffer from the Passats of the era,
(b3)
(b4)
we are in position to suppose, reasonably, that the velocity of the t3 must be even more than that of the escort, which means more than 120 m/h, (190 km/h)!
Remember: they are trying to test the facility not the car!
(And they choose t3 as a very stiff and proper car for their test! You see, it goes absolutely contrary to the first, unsuspecting, observer thoughts!).
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Team WorldTour
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| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 8:42 am Post subject: Re: Real Life Crash Test |
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Yup. When the tarp flies up, you can see there is nothing in the back (in response to the 'Bricks' comment).
Testing the barrier at a new facility, that would go along with my comment, 'going way too fast'.
I understand the video is not a real crash test. I was merely commenting on the 'bricks' statement, and offering my own idea.
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hellenic vanagon
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| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 3:58 am Post subject: Re: Real Life Crash Test |
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Did you actually watch the video all the way through?
It wasn't loaded with anything.
I think it was going way too fast. Like, top speed too fast! 
Still, it's kinda scary. I'm glad there are real videos to watch that reconfirm my faith in German engineering..... |
Please, have a look:
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| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 1:26 am Post subject: Re: Real Life Crash Test |
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Did you actually watch the video all the way through?
It wasn't loaded with anything.
I think it was going way too fast. Like, top speed too fast!
Still, it's kinda scary. I'm glad there are real videos to watch that reconfirm my faith in German engineering.....
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240Gordy
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| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 12:29 am Post subject: Re: Real Life Crash Test |
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| yes, no one should drive a DOKA with the truck bed fully loaded |
Way OVERLOADED with bricks i have heard. Not a typical load
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 11:40 pm Post subject: Re: Real Life Crash Test |
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| yes, no one should drive a DOKA with the truck bed fully loaded |
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The DOKA Test is BS, truck bed was fully loaded as a set up to give this results just to scare the shit out of people.
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| I'm currently servicing the front brakes on a '77 Bay, and can definitely appreciate the substantial efforts VW put into beefing up the front structural geometry on the T3, relative to the T2 |
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