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 Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:43 am Post subject: Re: What happened? Safari window glass cracked |
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Installed safari's about a month ago. They have been left open until last week when I locked them down. Two days later I went back into the garage and the driver side safari window had a 5-6 inch crack in the middle of the right side, near the hinge. What could have caused the crack? Could this have been a defect in the glass? Where can I get a replacement for the glass? Any information would help.
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Does anybody know where the measurement 555 mm is measured on the drawing...?
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Today, the latch pin fell out while I was driving and I watched the latch fall to the ground into the busy street. Gone. Lost a $30 part due to a loose pin. Check your pins daily, even though you probably shouldn't have to.
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I have had the same pin issue before. Fortunately I didn't lose the parts, they fell into the bus. I put super glue on the pins the next time I put them in. It has seemed to work. |
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Today, the latch pin fell out while I was driving and I watched the latch fall to the ground into the busy street. Gone. Lost a $30 part due to a loose pin. Check your pins daily, even though you probably shouldn't have to.
Also, the glass cracking? Yeah, that happened to mine as well. I wonder what the running count is?
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Some facts for people:
Tempered glass is 4-6x as tough.
Tempered glass is also considered safety glass. (To generalize) |
True. Tempered is called safety glass because when it shatters it breaks into small pebbles that just scratch & cut you when they hit you...as opposed to a non-tempered non-laminated piece of glass that breaks into large shards that can stab you & make you dead. I'll take a cut from tempered glass over a stab from regular glass ANY day. Its the lesser of 2 evils if you stick it in front of you...and on side windows tempered is definately the way to go. Windshields are nice to have laminated glass in because they hold together when they shatter, and since they're weaker you can hit 'em with your head & do considerably less damage to yourself.
Chazwood, I should've given up by now cuz Ev already said pretty much everything I'd say, and its pretty clear you just like to bicker, but I'm dumb, so I'll respond again.
1) I don't drive with safari's open, because I don't have safari's.
2) If I had safari's, I'd drive with 'em partially open. Its a trade-off, you weigh the risks & rewards...and decide if its what you want. If you want wind in your face, theres a risk that a bolt will be there too. But if you have a windshield in front of you, you've already decided to be protected...so using a shield that'll cut the hell out of you is just darwinism in action.
3) You drive a VW Split Bus. Volkswagen's incredible engineers built the safest vehicle on the road when they built the Splittie. They never catch fire, they are virtually invincible in head on collisions, the steering is tight, and the brakes are so reliable that they don't even need a dual circuit system like modern cars. Obviously, this vehicle was 50 years ahead of its time and if they put tempered glass in the original ones, them tempered glass is the safest material on earth. If modern car makers had brains in their heads they'd take a queue from Volkswagen and start making their airbags out of tempered glass. Is that what you want to hear?
The fact is, safari's may not be safe when opened...but we choose that risk, just like the rest of the risks involved in driving a bus because we enjoy the alternative. Just like convertibles, motorcycles, boating, and casual sex. Sometimes, the fun is worth the risk. Most of us accept that. We don't pretend that this is the safest option out there, but we're not all dumb enough to try adding uneccessary hazards when we drive the bus. A closed windshield can act as protection, why not let it?
If you're not worried about the practical application of a windshield or the safety implications of the specific material you use, why not just skip glass altogether & make your safari's out of stainless steel??? I GUARANTEE it won't crack. |
 There is NO manufacturer producing on ANY continent, asia, europe(all,east and west), north/south america, canada..... Where ever.... a new car, truck or any vehichle with a tempered windshield. They are all laminated. I'm not talking aftermarket or "personal preference", But FACTORY. If I'm wrong, show me proof.  |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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Some facts for people:
Tempered glass is 4-6x as tough.
Tempered glass is also considered safety glass. (To generalize) |
True. Tempered is called safety glass because when it shatters it breaks into small pebbles that just scratch & cut you when they hit you...as opposed to a non-tempered non-laminated piece of glass that breaks into large shards that can stab you & make you dead. I'll take a cut from tempered glass over a stab from regular glass ANY day. Its the lesser of 2 evils if you stick it in front of you...and on side windows tempered is definately the way to go. Windshields are nice to have laminated glass in because they hold together when they shatter, and since they're weaker you can hit 'em with your head & do considerably less damage to yourself.
Chazwood, I should've given up by now cuz Ev already said pretty much everything I'd say, and its pretty clear you just like to bicker, but I'm dumb, so I'll respond again.
1) I don't drive with safari's open, because I don't have safari's.
2) If I had safari's, I'd drive with 'em partially open. Its a trade-off, you weigh the risks & rewards...and decide if its what you want. If you want wind in your face, theres a risk that a bolt will be there too. But if you have a windshield in front of you, you've already decided to be protected...so using a shield that'll cut the hell out of you is just darwinism in action.
3) You drive a VW Split Bus. Volkswagen's incredible engineers built the safest vehicle on the road when they built the Splittie. They never catch fire, they are virtually invincible in head on collisions, the steering is tight, and the brakes are so reliable that they don't even need a dual circuit system like modern cars. Obviously, this vehicle was 50 years ahead of its time and if they put tempered glass in the original ones, them tempered glass is the safest material on earth. If modern car makers had brains in their heads they'd take a queue from Volkswagen and start making their airbags out of tempered glass. Is that what you want to hear?
The fact is, safari's may not be safe when opened...but we choose that risk, just like the rest of the risks involved in driving a bus because we enjoy the alternative. Just like convertibles, motorcycles, boating, and casual sex. Sometimes, the fun is worth the risk. Most of us accept that. We don't pretend that this is the safest option out there, but we're not all dumb enough to try adding uneccessary hazards when we drive the bus. A closed windshield can act as protection, why not let it?
If you're not worried about the practical application of a windshield or the safety implications of the specific material you use, why not just skip glass altogether & make your safari's out of stainless steel??? I GUARANTEE it won't crack. |
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Use laminated ...It's "safer" and easier to get.  |
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so- now refresh my memory (because after mulitple pages I lost track). do i get laminated glass for my OG frames or tempered- since they didn't come with any, i am nervous about putting the wrong type installed.
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So we must quibble about "let" instead if "cause" .....I mean.... whatever.
In your last post it sounded like you were sayingthat the cracking was caused by repro frames....that's not what you were saying?
This thread has had so many post deleted it doesn't even make sense anymore.
You came in late on the discussion Clara (after everything was deleted)where the main point was the safety of tempered glass. I don't know what you said or didn't say and I'm not going to re-read this butchered thread to find out what survived the deletes.
All I'm saying is if your safaris crack... try tempered. End of story. Have a good day.
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This thread did not start with any questions about safety. I did not address any either.
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| OG frames don't let your laminated glass crack.. |
I did say they don't make it crack, which unfortunately seems to happen with some repro frames. That was actually the issue that started the thread, FWIW.
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Your missing the point of this whole thread. Did VW design any safari to be used with tempered Glass???? Yes? Great! (Don't lose me now...yes they also used laminated in the same frames....) So, if they did indeed design them to use tempered glass are they safe with tempered glass?
I am I crazy... or is there a OG set of safaris for sale right now in the classified with cracked laminated glass. No... according to you this cannot happen...they have cracked glass ....must be repros.
Someone let that seller know his frames are repros. Tell him OG frames don't let your laminated glass crack.. so he must be mistaken. Better lower that price.
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| VW designed their safaris to use tempered glass. Which they used. What is the problem? They were forced to put in laminated glass in order to comply with US regulations. Period |
No, VW did not design the safaris for tempered glass. They designed it for either kind. VW was using sigla /laminated windshelds for certain spec buses before they started the 55-67 bus production. They knew they would sell the buses with safaris to countries (including but not just the US) that required laminated glass. It's like they made buses with diff blinky turn signals or semaphores for different spec. Or used different taillights. And some other things. Did the laminated requirement go back to the 30s? I know that early on VW was very interested in selling a large amount of cars to the US market, they would have jumped through the regulatory hoops, including glass.
So why do you keep saying they aren't designed for it? I don't think I'm lucky in my glass not cracked (cept maybe the lack of rocks, which can happen to any windsheild safari or regular). My bus is factory safari'ed with it's og frames. What I have heard is people have problems with the repros glass cracking. That problem is not with parts VW designed, but with parts people copying them designed. Now I wonder how the repro pop-out frames work with sigla glass.
I don't have an opinion about what glass you use. If you feel you have to use tempered glass to compensate for your flexing repro frames, go ahead.
That some repro frames may cause laminated glass to crack has nothing to do with what VW designed.
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I know that VW used laminated glass in the USA buses, .......... |
Well Clara that makes me feel better....yours didn't crack? Great. Congratulations. Consider yourself lucky.
Now .....What do we do about the rest of us that have cracking safaris? Ignore them, cuz yours didn't crack?
VW designed their safaris to use tempered glass. Which they used. What is the problem? They were forced to put in laminated glass in order to comply with US regulations. Period. Or maybe you think they enjoyed using two different kinds of glass in the manufacturing process. You think they enjoyed that right? "Hey Boris , (insert German translation)...That 21 going to America, did you forget to use laminated in those safaris again ? Dunekuff!!! you know those Americans freak when they think about using what the rest of the world uses. You put in tempered? Well you can change them out on your lunch hour, buddy...And next time pay attention."
They used two different kinds of glass just to make it interesting?????Keep those workers on their toes? Right? No, wait ...I've got it. They used Tempered glass for every European safari because laminated was safer.... and they don't like safe. "Give us the dangerous stuff"
No....I've got it...they purposefully used two different kinds of glass for the same thing because it made too much sense to just use laminated for everybody. (Or maybe they tried laminated.... and said... "this stuff sucks in safaris"... "those Americans have more money than brains so ship them their laminated and give the rest of us something that will last more than a day".)
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| Otherwise why aren't everyone's side pop-out windows cracking at random? It's a very similar design to the safari windows. |
BTW.... are your pop outs tempered glass?...mine are.
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Sigla glass. Sigla = laminated. |
The pop outs in my '61 are laminated (sigla) glass and have not cracked during driving or parking since I got the bus.
Funnily enough, the laminated safaris glass has not cracked from either sitting or driving since I installed them ('96?) I have even taken this bus on road trips!
This makes me think that there is something to this idea:
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If your glass is cracking while your Bus is just sitting, something else is wrong other than the glass type |
Chazwood: you still haven't replied to the fact that VW did actually use laminated glass in safaris, contrary to what you said:
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You need the kind of glass VW designed to go in their safari's....
tempered.
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| Or if you insist on tempered, coat it with 2 mil. safety film (clear). |
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| Otherwise why aren't everyone's side pop-out windows cracking at random? It's a very similar design to the safari windows. |
BTW.... are your pop outs tempered glass?...mine are.
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Sigla glass. Sigla = laminated.
Some facts for people:
Tempered glass is 4-6x as tough.
Tempered glass is also considered safety glass. (To generalize)
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| Solution: Use tempered glass, BUT on the inside apply clear mylar so if you do get your glass popped you wont get hit with shards. We used clear mylar as tearoffs on the race cars. |
Not a bad idea. If you are nervous... of course, I should think you would be a lot more nervous if your safaris were open.
And if you can get supplies. I wouldn't know where to start.
But remember... I don't have a problem with tempered glass. I do have a problem with a cracked safari and replacing the glass every time I take a drive. |
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| Otherwise why aren't everyone's side pop-out windows cracking at random? It's a very similar design to the safari windows. |
BTW.... are your pop outs tempered glass?...mine are.
Maybe that's why they don't break. Tempered glass. Tough stuff. Ten times stronger than regular. So strong, they make glasses out of the stuff.
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Solution: Use tempered glass, BUT on the inside apply clear mylar so if you do get your glass popped you wont get hit with shards. We used clear mylar as tearoffs on the race cars.
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| Otherwise why aren't everyone's side pop-out windows cracking at random? It's a very similar design to the safari windows. |
Uuuhhh.... When I open my pop outs and drive down the road I don't see them vibrating like a tuning fork as the safaris do.
All that vibrating is what weakens the glass.
I know that VW used laminated glass in the USA buses, but laminated glass is what cracks so bad.... so........ I was suggesting that if you have trouble with yours cracking all the time...... try Tempered. |
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