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VOLKSWAGNUT
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 Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel tank Reserve? |
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| hi i have a 59 vw bug with a reserve level and extension ...when i put my extension facing down my car wont start put i put it to the reserve position the car starts , but thats not the way it should be ....what can i do ....thanks |
Remove, Inspect, Rebuild.
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civicsi
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 9:53 am Post subject: Re: Fuel tank Reserve? |
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| hi i have a 59 vw bug with a reserve level and extension ...when i put my extension facing down my car wont start put i put it to the reserve position the car starts , but thats not the way it should be ....what can i do ....thanks |
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Helfen
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 10:13 am Post subject: Re: Fuel tank Reserve? |
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| Aussiebug wrote: |
The first fuel gauges (mechanical) appeared in 1964.
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Fuel gauges were first introduced in the US in 1962  |
I think I beat you to it. |
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VWLady
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 10:01 am Post subject: Re: Fuel tank Reserve? |
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| Aussiebug wrote: |
The first fuel gauges (mechanical) appeared in 1964.
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Fuel gauges were first introduced in the US in 1962 |
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Helfen
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 9:45 am Post subject: Re: Fuel tank Reserve? |
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| Aussiebug wrote: |
The first fuel gauges (mechanical) appeared in 1964.
In some countries the base model (either 1200 or 1300) continued with the fuel reserve tap up to at least 1967, whilst the delux model got newer things like a fuel gauge.
The USA only ever saw the largest engine available in any one year and got the newest features with that, but many other countries retained a base model with the features of previous years. This was especially so in European countries which had high fuel prices and high taxes on bigger engines, so it was easier/cheaper to continue a base model unchanged. |
You are quite right about fuel taps being used in the standard models.
Standard models are called "A" sedan in 1965 and from 1966 to the end of Beetle production in Germany Jan 1978 as 1200 "A".
The part about a mechanical gauge is wrong though. A mechanical fuel gauge as standard equipment on the deluxe model started in 1962.
Controls and instruments from the 1962 owners manual;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/8_61bug/08-61T1-06.jpg |
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Aussiebug
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 5:18 am Post subject: Re: Fuel tank Reserve? |
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The first fuel gauges (mechanical) appeared in 1964.
In some countries the base model (either 1200 or 1300) continued with the fuel reserve tap up to at least 1967, whilst the delux model got newer things like a fuel gauge.
The USA only ever saw the largest engine available in any one year and got the newest features with that, but many other countries retained a base model with the features of previous years. This was especially so in European countries which had high fuel prices and high taxes on bigger engines, so it was easier/cheaper to continue a base model unchanged.
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willisf
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2016 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel tank Reserve? |
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Helfen
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"OLD " car thing .....discontinued when they put in fuel guages  |
depends on what you consider old, a 1967 1200"A" has a reserve tap and NO gas gauge. here is a picture of a 1966 1200"A" without a gauge and a reserve tap...click on the link:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/520412.jpg
And FYI these newer cars have a different type of tap operation. The old type is the ninety degree tap, and the new tap like in the picture of my 65 "A" sedan is the one hundred & eighty degree type;
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/516079.jpg
Straight up is on, all the way to the left is off, and all the way to the right is reserve. |
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60ragtop
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here's what they should look like.
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I've restored a large number too, but I don't toot my horn quite as loud.
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maybe he just snapped cause his car sucked  |
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payin_vw
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: Pulled tank out - Reserve lines look funny |
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| The two tubes that come out of the reserve tap look almost the same length. I am thinking one is short / broken. |
on my 61 tap the long tube is 3 1/4" and the short is 1" hope it helps you.
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eeclark
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:17 pm Post subject: Pulled tank out - Reserve lines look funny |
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The two tubes that come out of the reserve tap look almost the same length. I am thinking one is short / broken.
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mukluk
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Removing the fuel tank isn't entirely needed to remove the fuel tap, but it does make things a lot easier. It sounds like you already have everything disconnected that you need in order to remove the tank: gas drained, tap lever hitch pin removed & lever pulled away, fuel line disconnected, four tank hold down brackets unbolted/removed, and the fuel sender (if equipped) disconnected. All there is left to do is just pull the tank out, it doesn't really matter which way you go with it... I tilted the tank up and toward the rear of the car when I removed mine so I could get a good purchase on it and perform a thorough check for black widows. Once you have the tank out, keep in mind the large nut that holds the tap to the tank is actually dual left and right-hand threaded -- the dual threading makes it so you can hold the orientation of the tap constant while you loosen or tighten the mount nut to the tank.
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jhicken
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| I think the fuel tap ended in 1961. |
I had a Dutch Standard '67 that had a reserve tap. Not sure if they were available in standards after this.
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kami_sn
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As long as the tank is empty and the fuel line and fuel tap lever disconnected then you should be fine taking it out. Just be very cautious since you are dealing with gas. Do it in well ventilated area away from any source of fire. I did cleaning/rust removing couple of months ago on mine and it is pretty straight forward, mine has no gas gauge.
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eeclark
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I need to rebuild the fuel reserve tap and I am not sure exactly how to go about removing that gas tank.
I watched the Bug Me Video (#4) and I am seeing the part about removing the gas tank to get to the master cylinder.
When I go to remove the tank, are there any concerns I have to deal with when removing the tank?
I dont see it mentioned?
I know I have to remove the rod handle and cotter pin (rod handle is what is inside the Beetle).
I also know that the reserve tap screws into the tank so right now I have the tank drained and I have the soft line that goes from the reserve tap to the main fuel line clamped off with vise grips.
I also have the 4 mounting bolts removed and the Gas Gauge cable unhooked.
My concern is do I have to remove the tank in a certain way when I pull it up and out of the car?
Any info is appreciated.
Thanks
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grandpa pete
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codycat
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stupid question but - do all beetles have this feature as I dont remember ever seeing one in any of my cars - my 66 or my current 67
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| I have nothing useful to contribute here, but wanted to say I found this post in a round about way and it brought a smile to my face. My dad had a ~67 VW, red, that he taught me to drive in and let me have for a first car. It was in pretty good shape, but the red paint was oxidizing as I was born in 61 so wasn't 16-17 and driving till 76. I would travel with him in the summer when I was out of school and remember him telling me to get down in the floor board and turn this lever for him. I have always known how to drive a manual because of that VW. Great page out of the old manual posted. Thanks for the memories. Deb |
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