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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scott s wrote:
Not quite the same vein you guys are talking about, but here's an early Scirocco wheel in a '70 Beetle.

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How did you make it fit?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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More VW of Mexico steering wheel parts:
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How much for this part?
Does it have the electric washer option?
I didn't see it listed in your ads.
Do you have a picture of it from the back to see if it would fit in a super beetle housing?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More VW of Mexico steering wheel parts:
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got the steering wheel on.
The windshield wiper switch was clearly in the way. I took the switch a part and heated the arm with a small propane torch. I practiced on an old one I had around first before I tore the one in the car a part. When I got into the switch I found out that there was electrical wires for a washer connection. I will be hooking that up and disconnecting the air operated one from the spare tire.
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Wires off the back of the 79 super beetle compared to an older super beetle. See the extra 2 wires on the right connector (6 total)
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Antonio Trejo"]Steering wheel (made in Germany, VW of Mexico factory option) on the Sedan 2004
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This is the right shaft to fit this late steering wheel...
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I like this one! how do I get my hands on one ? I have a 72 super that I have been wanting a different wheel for.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not quite the same vein you guys are talking about, but here's an early Scirocco wheel in a '70 Beetle.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Mexican wheels fit because the wiper stalk is different. Can the wiper switch be retrofitted onto a '74-up U.S.-spec Bug?


i am wondering the same question
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sedan Edicion Especial 2004 with an aftermarket "deep style" steering wheel made by MOMO
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Mexican wheels fit because the wiper stalk is different. Can the wiper switch be retrofitted onto a '74-up U.S.-spec Bug?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just how hot does your steering wheel get?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is a beautiful steering wheel.
What does it look like from the back?
Will it clear the windshield wiper switch of a super beetle?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steering wheel (made in Germany, VW of Mexico factory option) on the Sedan 2004
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This is the right shaft to fit this late steering wheel...
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Ultima Edicion 2004 steering wheel (made in Brazil) with Wolfsburg logo
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This is the stock steering wheel (made in Germany) on my old Edicion One Sedan 94´
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That looks sharp.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can use a watercooled steering wheel up to the MK2 (I've been told you could use any watercooled steering wheel but I have not confirmed it). Anyways, I've installed a 92 GTI wheel into a 74 super. Here's what I did to do it:

-You will need a small spline steering shaft. These are found in mid year 74's and up super (don't know about standards). The 74 uses a steering box....the 75 and up use a rack and pinion. The steering shaft from a 74 is 1/2" smaller in length than a 75 and up. The extra 1/2" is right where the shaft connects to the steering arm. Don't bother trying to swap shafts from a steering box car to a R&P car unmodified since its not going to fit without modding something. Since my car is a late 73 it had the wrong shaft....and when I test fitted my 78 shaft that is where I noticed this issue. I had to use the top of the 78's and the bottom of the 73's to make it work (I also did a little reinforcement since I didn't want the weld to fail...after all this is the steering shaft...so what ever you do make sure it will not fail). I will be doing this again for my 72.....when I do I will use a 74's shaft and not do any cutting/welding.

With your modded shaft (or if your lucky you have a small spline shaft to begin with) you will be able to bolt on an watercooled steering wheel up to 87 as well as porsche 924 and 944 wheels (don't know what year for those). The best way to make sure is to look up a GRANT steering wheel hub. If the hub is the same model # as one that would be used on a 75 thru 78 super beetle its a direct bolt-on.

http://www.grantproducts.com/showapplications.aspx?year=1975&make=VOLKSWAGEN&model=BEETLE you can see here that model # 3568 steering wheel installation kit is what you would use on a 75 super

http://www.grantproducts.com/showapplications.aspx...GOLF%20GTI and the same steering wheel installation kit is used on 87 GTI

Now...lets say you wanted to use a later Corrado/GTI steering wheel. What VW did was use an adapter sleeve (small spline inner....large spline outer) on an early watercooled shaft to fit that wheel into the MK2 cars. http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2059093 look at the 3rd and 5th pic down (it'll have 2 steering wheel pullers....at the center is the adapter your looking for). You can order them thru the dealer as well (about $35 to $40). Or you can find them in any MK2.....they are a major PITA to remove so if you want to save yourself a fight buy it from the dealer.

Once you have the adapter you'll have to slip it on the shaft (it will be a tight fit). After that the MK2 wheel will just slip on. You will have to modify the wiper arm stalk to clear the wheel. I ended up cutting it, and reshaping the cut piece and then reattaching it. Works fine....but a later mexi-beetle's stalk may be your best bet.

Here's a pic of it in my car:

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Icy wrote:
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In the classifieds there is Mexi Beetle steering wheels for sale and they look like the Fox steering wheels.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=614804

Mexi Beetles are not supers so maybe the wiper / washer lever clearance issues aren't there.
Just drop him an e-mail. He is very helpful and knowledgeable.


I did send him an email a while back and he wanted $250 for a new steering wheel, plus shipping and I'm still not certain it will fit a super beetle. When my $20 e-bay buy gets here I'll know if it fits or I have a Fox wheel for sale.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I tried fitting a Fox wheel on my '74 convertible. It fits the splines ok but won't clear the wiper switch. You'd need to remove the wiper switch and fashion a replacement.

Since the Fox was made in Brazil, it's design could be different from German cars. Was the interference caused by the turn signal canceling tab?

The problem with the later steering wheels is that they're not "deep" enough. Look at the back of a stock wheel, it's straight for a couple inches. The Fox wheel and other water cooled wheels are tapered back there, so they hit the wiper switch The canceling tab had nothing to do with it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

emersonbiggins wrote:
In the classifieds there is Mexi Beetle steering wheels for sale and they look like the Fox steering wheels.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=614804

Mexi Beetles are not supers so maybe the wiper / washer lever clearance issues aren't there.
Just drop him an e-mail. He is very helpful and knowledgeable.
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In the classifieds there is Mexi Beetle steering wheels for sale and they look like the Fox steering wheels.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=614804

Mexi Beetles are not supers so maybe the wiper / washer lever clearance issues aren't there.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bruce wrote:
in 74 the splines got smaller.


how hard would it be to put a 74 steering shaft in my beetle?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mnussbau wrote:
I tried fitting a Fox wheel on my '74 convertible. It fits the splines ok but won't clear the wiper switch. You'd need to remove the wiper switch and fashion a replacement.

Since the Fox was made in Brazil, it's design could be different from German cars. Was the interference caused by the turn signal canceling tab?
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