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ragnarhairybreeks
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 Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:36 pm Post subject: Re: UHMW Tape: Slider Door Sound Mod + others |
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Jim
Saw your post and looked at the website. Contacted seller and got prompt reply to my questions.
This bearing kit looks like a real winner. The instruction sheet is very good. As jim mentioned this kit included Delrin and urethane covered bearings that sit horizontal under the track cover. Post 85 doors. These bearing are the ones I didn’t try modifying when I made my own Delrin faced bearings, and I think a lot of the door sliding noise, in an otherwise Delrin replaced set up, is eliminated with theses modified bearings.
I’d pop for these over any other bearing kit on the market.
Alistair
Postscript: further email with the modified bearing set maker...
http://www.sparkofimagination.com/
Reinforced my suspicion that this a very well thought out and implemented product. The material choice for the bearing tires and extensive testing, puts the other options to shame.
And check out his interior light option. It’s pretty clever.
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SyncroHead
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| Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:27 am Post subject: Re: UHMW Tape: Slider Door Sound Mod + others |
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For 1985 - 1991 vans, if you want a permanent sliding door roller fix look here:
http://www.sparkofimagination.com/
There are SIX rolling elements used in this sliding door. The GoWesty or VanCafe kits replace TWO of these elements with upgraded components. Upgrades for the other FOUR guide bearings are not provided with their kits.
The Spark of Imagination kit supplements either of those kits with upgraded urethane rollers for the other FOUR guide bearings.
I've used this guide bearing kit on both my vans and the doors are exceptionally quiet and roll like butter! Remember to clean the tracks completely and do NOT oil them. These rollers and guide bearings roll and do not slide, so oiling on the tracks only attracts dirt and grime.
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Gnarlodious 
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So you are of the opinion that UHMW tape on any roller is a no no or just the lower roller that bears the brunt of the doors weight?
Dave |
The UHMW tape I used held up fine but the glue decomposed and released the tape after a few years. The plastic began bunching up and and removing the glue is difficult and requires a serious solvent. Sunlight and heat causes especially fast deterioration. I determined that it’s not a good long term solution for any use.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:55 am Post subject: Re: UHMW Tape: Slider Door Sound Mod + others |
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Thanks guys! An oldie thread but a goodie....
BTW I bought a couple kits from GW and they now include hard black plastic rollers (they seem like HDPE to me) for the lower track (load bearing) and the rear bottom track (under the removable plate). From what I read in this thread these ought be a substantial improvement.
Think I’ll just line the upper outboard track with the UHMW tape and leave the others alfresco with a new coat of paint. |
I have Delrin AF bottom and rear rollers. Made by my father on his lathe. They about the same or even a bit louder than brand new metal rollers which I had before. The material is too rigid.
I think the white, softer rollers that german guys selling on ebay are quieter. Although no info on longevity.
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Viva.Sabata
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| Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2020 8:27 pm Post subject: Re: UHMW Tape: Slider Door Sound Mod + others |
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| Squidfish wrote: |
| ...this is an old schoool thread! |
Thanks guys! An oldie thread but a goodie....
BTW I bought a couple kits from GW and they now include hard black plastic rollers (they seem like HDPE to me) for the lower track (load bearing) and the rear bottom track (under the removable plate). From what I read in this thread these ought be a substantial improvement.
Think I’ll just line the upper outboard track with the UHMW tape and leave the others alfresco with a new coat of paint.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2020 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: UHMW Tape: Slider Door Sound Mod + others |
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| Viva.Sabata wrote: |
Greetings Forum,
For those who have applied the UHMW tape to their sliding door gliding surfaces, what’s the verdict on longevity? Has anyone replaced it yet? |
Bottom and rear rollers destroyed the tape yeas ago; the adhesive is a bear to remove. Tape for the upper roller is still going strong. |
Ironically, the source of most lateral play -- and a nice upgrade! At least with our's, this is an old schoool thread!
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kamzcab86
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| Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2020 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: UHMW Tape: Slider Door Sound Mod + others |
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| Viva.Sabata wrote: |
Greetings Forum,
For those who have applied the UHMW tape to their sliding door gliding surfaces, what’s the verdict on longevity? Has anyone replaced it yet? |
Bottom and rear rollers destroyed the tape yeas ago; the adhesive is a bear to remove. Tape for the upper roller is still going strong.
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Viva.Sabata
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| Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2020 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: UHMW Tape: Slider Door Sound Mod + others |
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Greetings Forum,
For those who have applied the UHMW tape to their sliding door gliding surfaces, what’s the verdict on longevity? Has anyone replaced it yet?
I’m just starting out on my sliding door overhaul and wondering if this upgrade is worthwhile or just stick with greasing.
Thanks!
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| I have applied some UHMW tape to the license plate frame catch on the frame and on the body. I just had the van repainted and did not want metal to metal contact. the frame closes smoothly now. |
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While re-assembling my westy interior, I've been applying UHMW tape to all of the trim pieces that rub against other things. Creaks and groans eliminated!
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Gnarlodious
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Not recommended to use UHMW tape under a roller bearing. The pressure is applied on a tangentally small surface, causing the tape to buckle like a wave in front of the roller in hot weather. In a while you get a classic washboard surface, and then it gets worse. The problem is aggravated by the extreme difficulty of removing the tape and its adhesive. Learn from my mistake, UHMW is only suitable for sliding surfaces where it is not exposed to direct sunlight.
You can use up a bit of that tape on your linkage: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=592039
I’ve been very happy with this mod and have never lubed my slider. Also a bit of tape on the metal springs that hold down the cluster cover makes it way easier to pop it off. I also put the tape in the channel of the top door slider.
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Ok.......
Reading this post about the UMHW tapes......
I'm gathering bits to silence the SCREEEEEEEEETCH!!!!!
Of the sliding door as it closes! Nerve Wracking!
The commonly used tape seems to be .010 thick (about two sheet of copy paper)
I'm reading that after two years of use...... God knows how many operation cycles........ The bottom roller that carries the weight of the door, ruins the tape. The other tape on the othr roller runs don't seem to be affected much?
Sure, you can make plastic rollers and such but I picked up a strip of .060 thick tape, this is about as thick as heavy cardboard, similar to what you find on blister packs in the auto parts HELP! Section. You know, door handles, choke cables, etc.......
If I were to use this tape for the bottom runner, it is so thick and dense that it should hold up for years and years and years......... No??
I've already got this tape..........
If it works....... I've got 50' of it! Pay it forward? I certainly do not need 50'!!!!
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Gnarlodious
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I put the UHMW tape under one sliding window:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7344873#7344873
Feels great! very easy to slide and abrasion-free. Time will tell how it fares in the New Mexico sandstorms.
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This is a great feature! We use it to check for level when parking the van for the night.  |
Can be a little embarrassing though as a motion detector  |
Dixie's door latches fine at both ends of its travel.
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| This is a great feature! We use it to check for level when parking the van for the night. |
Can be a little embarrassing though as a motion detector
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ragnarhairybreeks
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The delrin is hard enough so that the door does move by itself on the very slight incline of my driveway. I think delrin is a fair choice for the roller, hard enough to move on the track easily, but not as hard as steel so the noise is reduced a bit.
I don't have any hard polyU to try, but I may try the local plastic shop to see if by any chance they have some hard polyU rod.
I have a bit of Teflon rod, not sure if it would be a good choice but why not try it?
Would be handy to have a turret lathe for is kind of fab.
Alistair
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Not recommended. Immediate results are great but not durable. It seems the tape can’t stand up to the extreme pressure immediately under the roller. And then the damaged tape is very hard to get off.
Ragnar:
I for one will be ready to go for plastic rollers anywhere on the door. I expect any soft plastic will be quieter but also have some rolling resistance. That is fine with me, since the door often moves when parked even on a slight incline. Keep on experimenting.
I’ve been thinking about the plastic tape under the sliding windows. Anyone done that? |
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