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morymob
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| I bought a pair of long reach n-nose pliers that are at about 20 degree angle and with a dremel wheel notched the tips to remove/install pin clips on the wbx. Soak the pin area with carbcleaner for a bit and makes getting pins out easier. |
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minsk
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deprivation
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Oh - and to the original poster's problem - I've noticed in the past a couple threads where someone's rebuild was undone by not having the wrist pin clips in all the way. It's really tight in there and I can see how someone might miss this. After popping the rings in, I double-checked and triple-checked by turning the rings a few revolutions with an ice pick.
For some reason I really sweated this.
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tschroeder0
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Kaiser: Nothing was out of context, it was however my opinion. Even your next reply sounds like someones dad "ever work in a shop on vanagons-NO" actually yes, and I understand very well what you were saying and again that comment was incredibly condescending.
Ben and others answered questions several times here without bravado, without letters in all caps and w/o sounding like he was responding to someone who didn't have a clue... again my opinion. |
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deprivation
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| If you don't understand how to do this then you have no buissness this deep in the engine. |
I don't see the words 'necessity' or 'risk'. I see the word 'how'. You were ragging on the guy cuz he didn't know how. Sorry, man.[/i]
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minsk
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Captain Pike
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| tschroeder0 wrote: |
to say someone has no buisness doing something because they may have to ask a few questions in the process is complete nonesense.
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You have taken my words OUT OF CONTEXT and added your own opinion.
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SO FOR YOUR CLARIFICATION
To get deep in the engine, where you can reach the rods and not "understand" the necessity to replace the faulty rod bolts you risk throwing a rod and wasting all the time/$$$ spent on the top end.
Ever work in a shop on Vanagons? No? 
"For everything there is a first time"
minsk is on the right path.I'm sure he "understands".
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minsk
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deprivation
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| tschroeder0 wrote: |
| to say someone has no buisness doing something because they may have to ask a few questions in the process is complete nonesense. |
Yeah - I gotta say that really brought me down. When I bought my Westy four years ago I didn't own a screwdriver. If it wasn't for the Samba community I wouldn't have learned as much as I have.
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tschroeder0
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funny, after reading this post I'm surprised at many of the comments...to say someone has no buisness doing something because they may have to ask a few questions in the process is complete nonesense.
How else do you learn? I'm sure it helps pump up some ego's when others aren't up to speed on your particular subject of expertise, but what a crappy forum this would be if everyone thought that way.
Maybe some of us doing some of these jobs that require a lot of knowledge/skill will wind up hatching the engine,maybe not does it mean we shouldn't try?
I helped a friend do a rebuild on his bus many years ago, neither of us had ever done one of these, we had a great time, but realized in the process that we could have used a lot more knowledge than we had, you could easily say we had no buisness that deep in the engine... the bus is still running fine and we continue to learn.... |
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morymob
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| Replacing #'s 1 and 3 onto rods not so bad but 2 and 4 is soooooo much fun. |
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minsk
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Captain Pike
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Ben,
By the heads I mean AMC with replaced valves but you knew that.
The rest is your opinion.I'm done here.
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ftp2leta
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| There is a first time for everything but a halfassed job will usually result with a hole in the block. |
Strange, i did over 40 top end, of what i know, most of them not to say all are still on the raod.
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| properly reworked heads. |
Rework those head is a waste of time and money.
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| If the engine is out do the ENTIRE clutch assembly, pilot bearing AND the trans input seal. |
I agree but many are on a tight budget.
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| Nice time to do the CVs with all the extra room to move around and why not the rear brakes while it's up in the air. |
Unrelated and i'm sure his van is not in the air.
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| Take your Bentley to the can when you go and absorb some Vanagon instructions. |
I wouldn't do that 
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Captain Pike
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| Kaiser Soze wrote: |
| If you don't understand how to do this then you have no buissness this deep in the engine. |
Or, if you don't understand how to do this then this is a perfect time to slow down, study up, search the samba, buy some tools, learn, and do. |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rant alert<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
There is a first time for everything but a halfassed job will usually result with a hole in the block.
Whenever the heads need to come off on a 2.1 it is prudent to R/R the rod bolts,rod bearings,piston rings/ hone the barrels and all the gaskets/seals that can be reached not to mention the properly reworked heads. If the engine is out do the ENTIRE clutch assembly, pilot bearing AND the trans input seal.
Nice time to do the CVs with all the extra room to move around and why not the rear brakes while it's up in the air.
Take your Bentley to the can when you go and absorb some Vanagon instructions.
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funagon
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| Kaiser Soze wrote: |
| If you don't understand how to do this then you have no buissness this deep in the engine. |
Or, if you don't understand how to do this then this is a perfect time to slow down, study up, search the samba, buy some tools, learn, and do.
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sanchius 
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... Also, as long as you have the engine out, this is a good time to check the end-play and replace the mainseal.
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So right. If you haven't watched this video at least 5 times, it is time to do so....
http://www.bostig.com/files/bostonbob&bostig-proper_wbxflywheel_install.wmv
Each time you will probably learn something new....
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deprivation
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This is the good part - you're half way there. A new rod set from Frank Stamos and some bearings from Van Cafe won't set you back that much and you'll be in good shape for a long time to come. Also, as long as you have the engine out, this is a good time to check the end-play and replace the mainseal.
You're actually in good shape.
For the record, I found the wrap-around ring compressor confounding. It works but I had a hell of a time with it.
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sanchius
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:56 am Post subject: Re: ouch piston out of cylinder 1989 wbx 2.1 |
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ok so ive been ...learning/doing a topend rebuild of my 1989 2.1 wbx.
things were going swimmingly...was trying to get the bottom cylinder seal off and pulled it to far off the piston..any tricks to getting it back on...ugh..piston rings in the way.. |
I know the feeling, I went thru the same thing; doing just a top end to fix a weeping head gasket and pulled a cylinder off the piston.
After reading/hearing about it here, I was afraid this was going to be a showstopper. But, actually, it wasn't hard at all.
I just reached in and compressed each ring by hand as I gently slid the cylinder back on. It is tight and I may have used something other than my fingertips, like a small block of plastic, to push the ring inward. But, I didn't use hose clamps or any special tools.
It was dead simple and I didn't have problems with the two that I did. If I was to do it again (i.e just a top end w/o cracking the case), I'll pull all the cylinders and put in new rings while I was there.
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tencentlife
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After doing this job more than twice I don't waste time with homemade pin extractors, risking damage to the piston is not acceptable and it just takes too long.
POP THE RODS,REPLACE THE ROD BEARINGS,REPLACE THE 2.1 ROD BOLTS.
If you don't understand how to do this then you have no buissness this deep in the engine.
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| It would be a shame to get this far into the engine without addressing the 2.1 rod bolt problem anyway. Spring for the rebuilt rods. |
Do what the man sez. |
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