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dobryan 
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cellerdoor
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| Love to get a 10c but being on the east coast makes the whole warranty thing unworkable. |
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Corwyn
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If Chris had one available when I needed it, I would have bought one of his hands down. That said, I got a 2.2 rebuild from Jerry at NW Connecting Rods in Seattle. I'm very happy with it and he has a great rep.
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denwood
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Chris, did not realize you had posted up dyno data. Your approach in only posting wheel dyno data and comparing to stock wheel dyno data is the only way to do it. Refreshing to read posts from someone who deals in hard data and clinical evaluation of it. The A/F data is also a very good indication (although many will not realize it) of how well tuned your injection setup is.
These tests also confirm what I suspected about gains to be had with the stock. WBX. It also explains why you recommend the external oil cooler. Getting ~ 30% more HP from a 2.2 liter adds heat loading similar to my setup with the same observations on oil pressure.
Cheers,
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chojinchef
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Hey! We are Canadian! Our beaches are ALWAYS cold! Frozen means bring your skates instead of your bikini.
Second thought...perhaps we could schedule for a little closer to bikini season.
I read the other thread last night on shipping to Canada...sounds like an option as well.
The other option is to go to Montreal and see Ben but I'm thinking no matter what rebuild I asked for it would come out a Subie! hehe. Maybe I'll stop in today and ask him...we are heading (in the golf) to upper NY state for a concert. Need to pass through his city....
Still like the idea of NM though....
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iltis74
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llamaman
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:38 pm Post subject: 1.9 to a 2.1 conversion |
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Hello, I have an 85 Westy Weekender I'm restoring. The Bad news: I noticed cool lent dripping from my 1.9 engine. The Good news: I have a 2.1 wbxr I would like to swap in. I have the ECU and wiring from an 86. Are there significant changes I need to make to the 85 for it to accept the engine?
The 1.9 runs fine (but loud) and has power, but I have noticed the temp gage climbs up when I'm not moving. Any suggestions on how to proceed?
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blakeck2
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He won't post here because his to humble, I'm not, i'm a bitc*.
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ftp2leta
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This should not even be a post here, we all know Christ. Mr. perfect! 
His work is close to perfection, even if shi* happen sometime:
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| That was Wednesday evening. Thursday morning I called Chris: "Um, Abiquiu? We've got a problem." 48 hours later Chris was in my driveway with tools, pulled the engine and took it home to find the problem. |
And that is life. He his human and that id a very good thing. Most of us (passionate and dedicated mechanic) will travel miles and give a leg so customers are happy, it is still NOT good business!!! I give a 2 years warranty on my conversion job!!! I'm must be crazy, VW only give 3 years on a brand NEW car. I'm nothing compare to them, same for Tenc and even GoWesty.
We are NO business men! At all. We will die and other will follow, other stupid passionate guys like us, VW will stay and live long and prosper.
I would drive one of his engine anywhere (And I have built, work, open more than him).
he as done so much for this community that anyone looking for a good stock engine should buy it from him, no question asked.
That said, Tenc, get a real web site with great picture and comment. It will help a lot.
He won't post here because his to humble, I'm not, i'm a bitc*.
I got tired of stock wasser, they got me, they killed me. Tenc still as the force and passion, well, good for him. I just can't anymore. But I still love the van, that is the real problem and that is why I'm still here. Same for Daryl from AA, same for the great B.Bob.
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RGS Paul
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My folks got one of these motors this time last year for their Syncro Westy. I like it so much my van is the August build on tencent's list. I think that says it all. I'm bouncing excited for my new engine, I can't wait to climb hills in 4th!
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DAIZEE
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When I'm buying, service record/behavior is part of the purchase as far as I'm concerned. If there seems to be a problem with service or someone gets impatient with my questions then I don't buy/deal with them.
I think it is really great of you to brag about 10 cent and to endorse him, many do.
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MootPoint
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I can't speak to the long-term, 50,000 mile attributes of owning a 10¢ engine but I can provide first-person experience of "customer service."
Chris (with some limited assistance from me...it was sort of like one of the Three Stooges assisting Enrico Fermi...dropped one of his engines in my '84 Westy last February. Not only was he a joy to watch and work with but a kind host who let me sleep on his couch, drink his wine, and put up with my odd and occasionally stupid questions with grace and incredible patience. I even burned out the motor on his parts washer getting oil goo of my engine tin and it didn't bother him a bit. "Hey," he said. "It was cheap to begin with and I've been meaning to rebuild it."
About three weeks ago, headed back from a week in Colorado and cruising south on I-25 south of Raton at about 65-70mph and about 3500 miles on the newly reset clock, the new engine abruptly stopped and I rolled to a stop at the side of the road. A turn of the key only made a buzzy sound - almost as if the Bendix gear was bad but I knew that wouldn't make the engine stop - so I knew it was nothing that Mr. Bentley and I could fix on the roadside. I was 203 miles from home and my 200 mile AAA flatbedded me to my driveway. Looking under the valve covers with my wife turning the key, it was clear that while the engine was turning, the rockers were immobile.
That was Wednesday evening. Thursday morning I called Chris: "Um, Abiquiu? We've got a problem." 48 hours later Chris was in my driveway with tools, pulled the engine and took it home to find the problem.
I'll let him give the whole summary if he wishes but basically the timing gear at the cam, I believe - something that never breaks so he hadn't replaced it - had stripped some teeth. Chris has the new and stronger parts on order and the van is still in front of my shop, awaiting Chris' return with the repaired engine - largely rebuilt for a second time to be sure no gear fragments were left behind - in a couple of weeks (I told him to take his time as I had no van plans for July since I've just had some back surgery). Mid-July, about four weeks after the initial problem, I should be back on the road.
I short, I have learned two lessons in the last 30 days that I will pass on to anyone who will listen (or not):
1. If you need any major surgery of any description anywhere on your body, go to the Mayo Clinic in Phoenix.
2. If you want a new waterboxer in your V'gon and you want it backed up with customer service that is friendly, knowledgeable, complete and fast get it from tencentlife.
My back surgery was largely covered by insurance. My new engine was not but, as far as I'm concerned, it was worth every penny because it came with someone who understands the concept of "service" and had the knowledge and willingness to back up the product he sells.
My 2¢ on 10¢.
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BlackDogVan
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K I'm a diesel guy but have always been a huge fan of 10c purely due to the honest, helpful no ego or BS posts he ALWAYS writes. There are quite a few knowledgeable dudes on here but very few who never take forum bait & say something nasty, 10c is one. HUGE points.
As for those dyno numbers, very impressive. And at the wheel too, no driveline loss BS multiplier to inflate things. Nice work!
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bjrogers86auto
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Hey! We are Canadian! Our beaches are ALWAYS cold! Frozen means bring your skates instead of your bikini.
Second thought...perhaps we could schedule for a little closer to bikini season.
I read the other thread last night on shipping to Canada...sounds like an option as well.
The other option is to go to Montreal and see Ben but I'm thinking no matter what rebuild I asked for it would come out a Subie! hehe. Maybe I'll stop in today and ask him...we are heading (in the golf) to upper NY state for a concert. Need to pass through his city....
Still like the idea of NM though....
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tencentlife
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Ha, Tingley Beach is just a few little fishing ponds near downtown Albuquerque. It's a fairly nice place for little kiddies on a quiet day but not really a beach. The closest real ocean beach to us would be the northern reach of the Gulf of California, which must be, I dunno, 400 miles away? We do have a few pretty nice lakes, though, or you can always go down and splash around in the Rio Grande. Of course the next possible time I could install your engine would be, oh, let's see, next January? I think our "beaches" might not be as much fun when they're frozen solid.
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bjrogers86auto
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I haven't googled you Chris to know where the beaches are in relation to you...Tingley sounds great! That's for my girls. I'll be at the golf course...again...no idea which one.
It's a long range plan which will have plenty of lead time. My biggest problem is that my trade background is mechanic (heavy duty) and I like fixing things myself. When I look at what you do with these engines I want to forget all that and just drive it back home!
As it stands my engine is running great(knocking on wood) and I have no issues with no power. Life is too short to rush to the finish line.
Thanks as always for all the info...I love reading the details!
Brian.
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tencentlife
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| I am curious though what hp and torque numbers that one would have over a stock wbxer |
OK, this will probably open up a can of worms, because honestly many people that are passionate about engine technology still do not know how to credibly compare one engine to another, tossing around manufacturers flywheel hp numbers, usually even omitting the rpms where they reach it. For that reason I have not been eager to publish this info broadly, but I have happily supplied it to anyone who has asked for it privately because then I can advise them how to use it in a credible comparison.
But for those who understand that the most credible way to evaluate the potential performance of various engines in a particular platform is to measure actual wheel torque, in the vehicle in question, here is a chart of rear wheel torque, in my 2WD '87 GL, of my own 2.2 running stock Digifant FI and one of the prototypes of my tuned exhaust. This is the rear-wheel torque measurement, corrected for weather and altitude, but not attempting to estimate the flywheel torque:
For comparison, a stock 2.1 wbx with stock exhaust puts down about 95-105 ft.lb. at the rear wheels, at about 2800 rpm. Stock rwhp is about 74-77 at around 4600rpm. I offer these as ranges because I have seen different dyno tests with varying results, some of which unfortunately I can no longer find on the web. There is one still visible at bostig.com, comparing the Zetec to the 2.1 wbx; that chart has the higher numbers in these ranges. Jim knows to only compare wheel dyno to wheel dyno, so he does in my opinion offer a credible comparison. He used to also have a chassis dyno chart of the Suby conversion in a Vanagon, but has since taken that down, I don't know why.
This exact combo has been on the same rollers on two occasions and the numbers both times were within 1 or 2% of each other, so the testing methodology and corrections seem to be pretty consistent. Also, you can see the mixture curve and it never really got into high-load enrichment. I've done things to my own FI to remedy that, but with a stock FI this is the kind of load response you can actually expect (basically, none) short of overriding the lambda channel (which is what I have done to my own).
GW also has some dyno charts on their site, they used an axle dyno, but they're trying to present the data as flywheel numbers by applying a driveline loss correction of 32%. This makes it confusing once again, comparing different measurements. This wouldn't be the same driveline loss correction you would apply to estimate flywheel torque from rear-wheel measurements, since the axle dyno has taken the mass of the wheel and tire out of the picture. So once again, it's very hard to make a credible comparison.
Anyway, there's what I have, as I've said elsewhere you can take it for what it's worth, because it is pretty hard to evaluate it next to some of the info that is available for some of the other engines that are popular for the Vanagon. I do feel, though, that the comparison to stock 2.1 chassis dyno tests is fairly useful.
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tencentlife
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| When the time comes(not too soon I hope) I would love to road trip to NM for a beach/golfing/engine swap with Chris. |
Just be sure to plan way ahead, I'm always booked months in advance.
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My next customer is. He's shipping the van to me, I'll put in his new engine, exhaust, and a bunch of other work, and he's coming out afterward to take his vacation while driving it home to Missouri.
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| Not sure where the closest beaches are. |
Um...Tingley Beach?
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boulderdrop
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@Dogpilot: very good point! I'm on the heels of a Bostig conversion, nothing wrong with the kit or the great engine... but you touch a lot of systems and .. maybe more importantly, you start to expect more from a vehicle with most 25+ y/o parts and design.
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| Just remember, most of the problems that people see after a new motor have nothing to do with the engine as supplied from the builder, Chris, Boston Bob, or GoWesty. It has everything to do with old accessories, old sensors and crappy old cheap wiring. So even the finest motor lovingly built by the finest craftsmen will run like shit and be un-realiable if you don't go after them as well. |
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Dogpilot
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Since you are looking at a 2.2-2.3 motor, I too would choose the 10¢ motor as well. I have a GoWesty Motor, but 2.4. Quite frankly, my GoWesty experience has been overall excellent and the quality of my build was just fine. However at the power levels your looking at Chris's motor would be a better option. He does build them with a bit more attention to detail. He isn't doing 20-30 a month (perhaps he wishes he was), so he can spend a bit of time on them. I would recommend getting it with his exhaust as well.
Just remember, most of the problems that people see after a new motor have nothing to do with the engine as supplied from the builder, Chris, Boston Bob, or GoWesty. It has everything to do with old accessories, old sensors and crappy old cheap wiring. So even the finest motor lovingly built by the finest craftsmen will run like shit and be un-realiable if you don't go after them as well.
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