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Air-Cooled Head
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 Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: Pop Out window rubber '69 Squareback |
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Mike, Josh, Bob, thanks!
After 5-6 years in storage, it'll be on the road soon, thanks to The Samba!  
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 11:55 am Post subject: Re: Pop Out window rubber '69 Squareback |
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| ataraxia wrote: |
I used heat shrink on the hinge ends - the plastic hinge caps either fall off or get destroyed during installation. You just need something on the end that will go between the hinge metal and the metal on the car to keep it from sliding out.
I didn't use tape and I worked alone. I used Windex on the seal and a plastic putty knife to pop the seal out if it folded under the body while installing.
Before you start - pull the pinch welt away from the B pillar and about 4" away. Go it at about a 45° angle and slowly work your way back toward 'closed'. The front edge of the seal will fold under while you're attempting to close the window - use the plastic putty knife and a little Windex as a lubricant to slide it back out. As long as the seal is out and you maintain tension on the hinges, they won't pop out and you should be successful at installing them. None of this should require more than slight pressure - no force or great strength is needed.
Once they're in, you have to figure out how to screw the hinges back into the C pillar without letting go of the window (easier with two people). Once the hinge is secured, reinstall the pinch welt around the window after you've dried the excess Windex. |
Yup, exactly.
You can flip the front of the seal back and use 2" masking tape to hold it as well. I normally have a helper when I do glass work though (even if they are just standing around doing nothing). The helper helps when you do the latch, as all they have to do is hold the window closed while you get the screws in.
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| Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: Pop Out window rubber '69 Squareback |
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I used heat shrink on the hinge ends - the plastic hinge caps either fall off or get destroyed during installation. You just need something on the end that will go between the hinge metal and the metal on the car to keep it from sliding out.
I didn't use tape and I worked alone. I used Windex on the seal and a plastic putty knife to pop the seal out if it folded under the body while installing.
Before you start - pull the pinch welt away from the B pillar and about 4" away. Go it at about a 45° angle and slowly work your way back toward 'closed'. The front edge of the seal will fold under while you're attempting to close the window - use the plastic putty knife and a little Windex as a lubricant to slide it back out. As long as the seal is out and you maintain tension on the hinges, they won't pop out and you should be successful at installing them. None of this should require more than slight pressure - no force or great strength is needed.
Once they're in, you have to figure out how to screw the hinges back into the C pillar without letting go of the window (easier with two people). Once the hinge is secured, reinstall the pinch welt around the window after you've dried the excess Windex. |
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Mike Fisher
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| Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: Pop Out window rubber '69 Squareback |
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There were plastic caps on them originally, but we just used electrical tape so they don't rattle.
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Air-Cooled Head
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| Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: Pop Out window rubber '69 Squareback |
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Ahhh. OK, I'm good there.
Nothing else goes there? I seem to remember a strip of tape over each slot.
So, put the rubber on the hinge, tape back the edge, and install is all I have to do?
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| Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: Pop Out window rubber '69 Squareback |
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See the tapered metal hooks welded in at the factory up thru 1970.
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So I'm resurrecting this thread, again.
My question was, when installing the pop-outs, does the hinge cover go on the frame first, or on the pillar first?
Then I see this.
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Do you have the correct metal and plastic pieces at the hinge side on the B-pillar? |
I don't recall a metal piece when removing. What I recall was a piece of tape over the slots on them B pillar.
So please, y'all, set me str8 on installing pop-outs.
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: Pop Out window rubber '69 Squareback |
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| Just getting ready to give this a try. All these old threads are useful. There is always one screw that does not want to seperate! Fortunately, I have an extra set of windows if I screw up. Now I did order from ISP sand it said "1 Set" ... but 2-piece. So now, after reading this, I only got enough the do 1 window ... but that's OK it was the last one they had in stock. |
Yeah, I normally buy them thru CIP, as they sell WCM seals. 
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| Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: Pop Out window rubber '69 Squareback |
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| Just getting ready to give this a try. All these old threads are useful. There is always one screw that does not want to cooperate! Fortunately, I have an extra set of windows if I screw up. Now I did order from ISP sand it said "1 Set" ... but 2-piece. So now, after reading this, I only got enough the do 1 window ... but that's OK, it was the last one they had in stock. I was an aircraft mechanic in the USAF ... I thought that taught me all the cuss words, VW window rubber is a new source! makes you wonder how they afforded to build them all so cheap when it takes us a full day to replace 2 window rubbers! |
Yes, I've always wondered how VW was able to make a profit on these cars, especially when you've torn 1 down completely, and it takes a month or more just to reassemble it. Now I know there were hundreds of workers assembling cars, but they must not have paid them very much in order to make a profit. The big thing that surprises me though, is the quality of the parts used (especially compared to crap quality of today's replacement parts). I mean the original stuff lasted 20, 30 even 40+ years, while the same part produced today might last a year IF you're lucky.  That is if it fits in the first place.
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64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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| Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 11:06 am Post subject: Re: Pop Out window rubber '69 Squareback |
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Just getting ready to give this a try. All these old threads are useful. There is always one screw that does not want to cooperate! Fortunately, I have an extra set of windows if I screw up. Now I did order from ISP sand it said "1 Set" ... but 2-piece. So now, after reading this, I only got enough the do 1 window ... but that's OK, it was the last one they had in stock. I was an aircraft mechanic in the USAF ... I thought that taught me all the cuss words, VW window rubber is a new source! makes you wonder how they afforded to build them all so cheap when it takes us a full day to replace 2 window rubbers!
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| use some lube! soapy water or some simple green works for me, they pop right in. |
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| 67 Squareback pop outs. I have suffered through replacing both rubber seals. Figured those out. I have the little hinge covers. No matter how tight I pull the rubber back with tape I can't get it on the hinge. There must be some other secret. HELP? |
Have you tried using some 2 inch tape to help hold the seal back? This usually works well.
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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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| 67 Squareback pop outs. I have suffered through replacing both rubber seals. Figured those out. I have the little hinge covers. No matter how tight I pull the rubber back with tape I can't get it on the hinge. There must be some other secret. HELP? |
Try going at it at a 45° angle and shove it in. Helps to have two people. On pushing on the window, and one person working the outer seal back around the hinges so the frame will go in all the way.
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| 67 Squareback pop outs. I have suffered through replacing both rubber seals. Figured those out. I have the little hinge covers. No matter how tight I pull the rubber back with tape I can't get it on the hinge. There must be some other secret. HELP? |
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bringing this back from the dead, can anyone chime in with a fix for loose pop outs? I constantly feel like these windows are just going to fall off the car.
I didnt know if there was a way to secure them to the point that such worries would not exist... |
I'd do a bug hinge conversion to them (do a "pop out window" search of the forum). I know it's there as I've posted comments and pics to the thread. Yes, it's extereme. But, it also works. Might be an older thread, so look at the dates posted. 
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bringing this back from the dead, can anyone chime in with a fix for loose pop outs? I constantly feel like these windows are just going to fall off the car.
I didnt know if there was a way to secure them to the point that such worries would not exist... |
Do you have the correct metal and plastic pieces at the hinge side on the B-pillar? |
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bringing this back from the dead, can anyone chime in with a fix for loose pop outs? I constantly feel like these windows are just going to fall off the car.
I didnt know if there was a way to secure them to the point that such worries would not exist... |
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well, got the trim in the mail today, and here are the results.
actually, looks really good! you wouldnt know it was aftermarket unless you knew exactly what you were looking at. looks like it belongs, fits good, easy to cut to size, easy install. i would say this is a sufficient replacement option for people looking to save a good chunk of money. 15ft of it cost me $15 plus shipping, and got it in 2 days. |
That's why I suggested it; it's cheap to buy, fits the opening, and does what you wanted it to do. It might not be stock (depending on the year car you're working on, as 70 was black, and I split a set I had here open, and used them on my 71 Notch after I converted it to pop outs), but it will do the job.
I used black in my 65 Notch (the same stuff as vermonter).
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64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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The original stuff for the windows is a cream white color. Not to 'rain on your parade' as the black does look similar/good.  |
i guess thats your opinion. you can tell by my pictures that my car is not a complete resto, and also i did mention that unless you knew exactly what you were looking for, you cant tell it is not stock. it dosnt look like some crap from an auto store, it looks great-its just not stock. |
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The original stuff for the windows is a cream white color. Not to 'rain on your parade' as the black does look similar/good.
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