Automatic Vanagon 3.3:1 Ring and Pinion available soon...

[Smiro]

Hello Everyone,

I am down to my last 4 3.27 R&P. I do not know when I can get more. Supply issues are still a problem. Get yours before you have to wait months for more to come. Prices maybe going up due to Freight and duty costs.

Happy camping,

[Smiro]

Hello Everyone,

I have removed my 3.27 R&P to show you the quality and durability of my product after 60,000 miles. I am the only supplier who can prove my product is the best out there if installed properly, with the correct lubricant (no redline) and cooler (my cooler).

I will be installing this same 3.27 R&P into my differential and I will pull it after another 60K miles.

As a reminder I have 1991 Country Homes Camper with a 2.5 Frankin Subaru motor (165HP). I have also replaced the ATF, gaskets and screen every 2 years as recommended by VW. The gear oil I use is
Swepco 201 Gear Oil, 80/90 and Dextron 2 ATF or equivalent.

Looking forward to another trouble free 60K.

Cheers,

[Brad4]

[Butcher]

I had one installed at Ed's transmission in Seattle. Although my clients Vanagon has an Oettinger WBX6 in it, they offered a complete warranty if there was an issue. Since the engine had a lot more power than stock, he said they would have to look at it before the would warranty it.

I put 5,000 miles on the Vanagon before I gave it back to the client [it was in boxes when I first got it]. I never had a problem with the miles I put on it. As far as I know, the client has not had any issues in the last 3 years that he has driven it.

Since there were no problems, I did not really need the warranty. It's hard to believe that the part would fail unless it was installed incorrectly. I have dealt with Salim several times with this Oettinger project and never did I suspect I was getting shafted. I lent him the worn 3.08 R&P that was originally in the transmission and after it was sent across the world so it could be copied, I did get it back several months later. He was a stand up person and everything he said was true.

[puchfinnland]

So after reading 21 pages, I would like to ask..

how many road miles/kms have people racked up on their 3:27 Ring and pinions?

Any issues?

is there an installer that will warranty their work?

Mike

[Smiro]

@Albertoprop17, I would recommend my 3.73 R&P.

Cheers,

[Albertoprop17]

What would you recommend for a little modified 2.1 dj engine on a westfalia, 3.73 or 3.27?

[Smiro]

Hello Everyone,

I have all ratios in-stock. You can go here https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1929362 or www.countryhomescampers.com to order your gear set.

Regards,

[Ziegy]

Slightly used 3.27 R&P available. I purchased and installed the the 3.27, but there really just was not enough power for my Tiico + Automatic. Turns out the 3.72 is a far better match.

If you have a 1.8T or Suby Conversion, your automatic will like the 3.27. Let me know if interested. In Central Oregon.

[Butcher]

I too had Ed's transmission install a 3.27 R&P in a clients WBX6. They did a great job.

I would not wait for a larger cooler. Do it now. The temperature in Seattle is cool now. Lots of rain in April so you may not have a good indication how hot it will get.

[Red Beard]

Just got my van back from the install--VW 2.0T, ~165HP and ~200ft. lbs @2500.

Having driven about 1000 miles on the engine conversion with the stock gearing, I can say that there is noticeable reduction in off-the line acceleration with the new gearing, and it feels a little more sluggish up to about 45mph. Its still way better than the stock gearing/WBX combo. So, around town, a little less oomph, needs a little more throttle.

Stays in 2nd until 40-45 usually, depending on load. Kicks down from 3rd to 2nd up to about 60mph.

At 60-70mph, its really very noticeably quieter and smoother. Acceleration doesn't feel much different at these higher speeds--probably because the engine is now revving closer to its power band at highway speeds?

I have a temp sensor installed in the send line to my transmission cooler, and the trans does appear to be running ~20F hotter with the new gears. I am now fairly easily hitting 200F on a sustained mild incline in 60F ambient temps. I am thinking I will add a version of TKs air scoop to my trans oil pan, and if that doesn't suffice, move to a bigger trans cooler.

I'll be taking it on a longish 4 day trip next weekend, including over the mountain pass, so I'll be curious how it feels there and what fuel economy I see.

Also, a little plug for Ed's transmission in Seattle: They are the go-to place for vanagon AT transmission work around here. I had this transmission rebuilt by them a few years ago, with a Peloquin installed at that time, and they were a real pleasure to work with then. They did the 3.27 R&P and were again wonderful.
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1990 Vanagon, FAS Gen V 2.0 NA, AT w/ Peloquin diff, NAHT conversion

[Butcher]

?????

[bubba]

Man.. this stinks.. if you bought 10 they are 760 bucks.. $1,600 seems like a lot of money for just the gears.
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[Red Beard]

[Zeitgeist 13]

Aren't the shift points regulated by throttle position relative to RPMs? Aren't there adjustments that can be made to move the shift points up or down relative to those data inputs? I don't have any experience servicing these transmissions, but on offbrand units I can adjust those settings via the throttle input cable.

I'm asking because I regularly service an RJE 2.3L that has tons of low end torque, but the trans inevitably upshifts before hitting peak torque, which is a kind of blue balls situation. No bueno.
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[katzenjammer]

[Zeitgeist 13]

Do those temp figures include an external ATF cooler? If not, then you'd want to factor in a means of mitigating those temp increases via a large heat exchanger. I wouldn't run an engine with higher torque output or taller R&P ratios without a cooler.

Needs more information.
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'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik?

[Red Beard]

Another question for the group:

On the CHC website, on the 3.27R/p page, and under the "technical data" tab, is the following information:

[Red Beard]

[katzenjammer]

I had the 3.08 R&P installed a few hundred miles ago, in my Westy Multivan, auto trans. I have a 1.8T engine, including SAH's performance exhaust system. Advertised power with this setup is 200hp. My tires are 215/60/R16, so slightly taller than stock.

Prior to the 3.08 I had the 3.27 R&P for several thousand miles. (It broke, due to a problem with installation, by someone who won't be doing any more of them, so no need to ask who.) I may be one of very few people who have lived with both configurations for any length of time. I haven't yet done a long road trip, but around town here in Santa Cruz, driving over Highway 17 a couple times (a fairly steep and winding mountain pass, 50mph speed limit), and all around the SF Bay Area, I'm very happy with the change to the 3.08.

The 3.27 R&P with the 1.8T and the auto trans was perfectly satisfactory (and pure joy compared to stock), but there were small quirks that I occasionally wondered about. It would shift out of 1st really quickly, and be in 3rd before you knew it. At speeds around 50-55 on certain inclines, I sometimes I felt like 3rd gear was a little too tall, and 2nd gear a little too low (high revs).

With the 3.08 (so far), this seems to be cured. Shift points are a little higher. Accelerating onto a freeway (not floored, but nearly), it shifts to 3rd around 50mph or so. Maneuvering around town it spends a little more time in 2nd than it used to, and it feels right. Climbing steeper highway stretches, it will shift down to 2nd more readily, but it doesn't feel too low (too high revving) when it does.

At 65 to 70 on the flats, RPMs are around 3000 to slightly above, maybe 150 to 200 lower than with the 3.27. (Just a guess, don't sue me if my estimate is off.) That small difference has resulted in a noticeable change in how it drives, and I'm very happy with the result. I believe SAH is now recommending the 3.08 for new 1.8T/auto installations.

Dan
p.s. I don't yet have a sense of what impact there may have been on mpg.
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1990 Westy Multivan, Auto (3.08 R&P) 1.8T by SAH