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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 6:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine Cooling and Cabin Heating System Tutorial Reply with quote

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I'm using one of these TC's in a bus project, they also sell bolt on and stem type TC's

http://thesensorconnection.com/category/cht-sensors/all-cht-sensors

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Thank you very much RWK, this is great ! Now I’m going to order one as well !
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 2:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine Cooling and Cabin Heating System Tutorial Reply with quote

I'm using one of these TC's in a bus project, they also sell bolt on and stem type TC's

http://thesensorconnection.com/category/cht-sensors/all-cht-sensors

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine Cooling and Cabin Heating System Tutorial Reply with quote

Very Happy This is an excellent tutorial on all things related to Beetle heating, engine heating and cooling, and how it all works together. The most interesting part for me was learning which vents to close when windshield heat is paramount as well as how to monitor the condition of the thermostat.
I’m hauling my engine out this summer to change my transaxle, so I will
be checking everything on the engine, including the heating/ cooling system. I only wish there was a cylinder head temperature gauge that fastened to the cylinder head without using a spark plug to hold it in, because I sort of think that after several plug removals there is quite a chance of the heat transducer
on the wire end would break open. But it’s been a fantastic learning experience and with be serving me well soon!

Thank you for your efforts Paul. VW Logo

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:52 am    Post subject: Re: Engine Cooling and Cabin Heating System Tutorial Reply with quote

Awesome, thank you!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:09 am    Post subject: Re: Engine Cooling and Cabin Heating System Tutorial Reply with quote

Corrected Jbugs heater system diagrams:


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and one I cobbled together from Wolfsburg West's parts diagrams to show most of the system pieces/parts

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine Cooling and Cabin Heating System Tutorial Reply with quote

Thank you, great write up! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine Cooling and Cabin Heating System Tutorial Reply with quote

Weighing in a few recent issues. '70 vert. I also have the large rectangular hole on the driver' side - it was a big help when replacing the main wiring harness last winter. It look sfactory. The passenger side has a small circular hole. Used both holes to spray fluid film in the areas for rust protection.

Regarding the y-pipes. Just last week I found them on the Samba classifieds. Two different sellers (for left and right) - about $20 for each. Flaps work on both, and both had the original insulation and straps. Found the bakelites too and the bellow tubes.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine Cooling and Cabin Heating System Tutorial Reply with quote

Found these on Jbugs which illustrate the heater channels and the heater lever functions pretty well:
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:56 am    Post subject: Re: Engine Cooling and Cabin Heating System Tutorial Reply with quote

I replaced my driver side heater hose in the A pillar over the summer--I didn't need to enlarge the hole at the bottom but did use it to vacuum the space then check the tube was well seated. I was able to get my hand down there, skinny arms, to clean and tear the old remaining tube stuck on the outlet --I did manage to get scratched up on the screw and tack tips but no big deal.
The hardest and more frustrating part to me was rerouting the new tubes at the top including the fork --the twist and pressure fit aspects of each hose is there for a reason as with some the is room to twist on and other to push fit in their order--I think I tried them all lol. Now I have heat at the driverside window!
It's not a hard job and like any job it takes a bit longer than you might think if you haven't done it before.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine Cooling and Cabin Heating System Tutorial Reply with quote

octavioadrian wrote:
I am new to the beetle community! Thank you for this information. I have a lot of work to do on my 1970 Beetle that I just purchased. It is nice but the previous owner covered/hid A LOT of items on the car to make it look nice. The fresh air hoses where installed but not all the way to the heater exchanger. I was looking for answers on how to connect them. Thank you. Now I just need to find where I can find a WYE Pipe for my rear left side or how to modify a new one. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


The WYE's are hard to come by, especially ones with functioning 'butterfly' valves to control the rear heat outlets.

I did rig up a fix to get heat at least into the heater channels for front floor vent heat and defrost action. I used 1 3/4in preheater hose from the local auto store and two "Fernco" rubber plumbing fittings from the hardware store. If your bakelite tubes (tube flange coming from the rear of the car under the seat) are intact you're golden, but you will have to shave a little bit of the inner diameter of the fernco to slide easier over the bakelite tube.

preheat hose
https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/dorman-help-ca.../5194679-P


fernco drain fitting (you need the 2in x 1 1/2in 'reducing' coupling- 2 in sides go to the bakelite and the heater channel, the preheater hose will fit snug inside the smaller 1 1/2in side.)
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Fernco-2-in-dia-Flexible-PVC-Coupling-Fittings/1000075331

it'll look something like this:

Bakelite tube>=========<heater channel snout
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:59 am    Post subject: Re: Engine Cooling and Cabin Heating System Tutorial Reply with quote

Dual heater fans. 90° flex drain couplings are the same size as the hot air ducts and the Bosch blowers.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 12:04 am    Post subject: Re: Engine Cooling and Cabin Heating System Tutorial Reply with quote

I am new to the beetle community! Thank you for this information. I have a lot of work to do on my 1970 Beetle that I just purchased. It is nice but the previous owner covered/hid A LOT of items on the car to make it look nice. The fresh air hoses where installed but not all the way to the heater exchanger. I was looking for answers on how to connect them. Thank you. Now I just need to find where I can find a WYE Pipe for my rear left side or how to modify a new one. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:24 am    Post subject: Re: Engine Cooling and Cabin Heating System Tutorial Reply with quote

This write-up is excellent!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine Cooling and Cabin Heating System Tutorial Reply with quote

About getting a new defroster hose down into the A pillar. I had to do it a long time ago, and I don't remember it clearly, but for starters, it goes in from the top. I think the holes at the bottom are inspection holes so they could see at the factory how the hose was lining up and going on. The cardboard hose has a spiral pattern, which acts like threads on a screw. Use It. I think it took some careful pressure besides the screwing action. I suspect that the factory may have used an appropriate lubricant to help. You know, those defroster hoses were probably the only reason nobody wanted Volkswagen after WWII, but some British chap must have figured them out, and that's why the British army kept VW going.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:52 am    Post subject: Re: Kick panel bar Reply with quote

Search "rear seat support bar" in the classifieds. There are 5 adds that I found.
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I have often used an extra fan under the rear seat to give the system a boost..........available at JC Whitney (I know, we all hate them) but a bit pricy. I have an extra I just bought at a swap meet for 20 bucks.
Here my set up......
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I ran the switch to an open spot on the dash and used an extra defroster switch to power it. That extra boost is nice.


What is the bar or trim that holds the kick panels called? anybody knows where I can buy it.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 12:31 am    Post subject: Kick panel bar Reply with quote

rlutterb wrote:
I have often used an extra fan under the rear seat to give the system a boost..........available at JC Whitney (I know, we all hate them) but a bit pricy. I have an extra I just bought at a swap meet for 20 bucks.
Here my set up......
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I ran the switch to an open spot on the dash and used an extra defroster switch to power it. That extra boost is nice.


What is the bar or trim that holds the kick panels called? anybody knows where I can buy it.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine Cooling and Cabin Heating System Tutorial Reply with quote

I'm working on my '74 SB Convertible. Its a bit of a frankenbug with an older replacement of the floor pans and other bits that I'm discovering.

The heat mostly works, but the defroster feels weak and lukewarm. (I think it is partially from the fresh air box flaps not being completely closed)

I'm reading up on everything before I dive into this on the weekend, but I'm trying to figure out how the defroster cables are supposed to route. On the driver's side, I have a floor vent with a tab that lets me open and close it. On the passenger side there is no tab, but there is a cable running forward to the foot well and then back (looks like a bike brake cable). I have not traced this cable completely.

Is this supposed to work the passenger floor vent?

Is it supposed to go back to the rear seat vents?

How are the cables supposed to route to the rear seat vents? Straight back along the tunnel? Around the front? Something else?

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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2016 8:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine Cooling and Cabin Heating System Tutorial Reply with quote

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Has ANYONE else got these holes in their A-Pillar(s) ???


Lou in Aridzona


My '71 super doesn't have the rectangular holes. It just has little circular holes.
I don't see how you could ever use those to get the heat tube on.

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mt 72 USA standard has these exact holes..both sides
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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2016 11:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine Cooling and Cabin Heating System Tutorial Reply with quote

here is a build that shows excellent cross sections of stock style heat exchangers, for those that are interested...

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5...;start=140
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine Cooling and Cabin Heating System Tutorial Reply with quote

hemi354az wrote:
Has ANYONE else got these holes in their A-Pillar(s) ???


Lou in Aridzona


My '71 super doesn't have the rectangular holes. It just has little circular holes.
I don't see how you could ever use those to get the heat tube on.

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