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Timwhy
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OK Timwhy, help me out. I'm seeing a discrepancy in your wiring between the above image and this one:
In the first one you indicated to jumper the bottom right to top left pin to get the indicator to turn on. But in the next photo you indicate the wiring should be to jumper top left pin and center pin to the gray wire with blue tracer on the headlight switch. That's what I did and I get the indicator to turn on when I flip the switch but am not getting the instrument light to power on. Just trying to figure out if I wired it correctly per the pics. Should I try another 944 switch or is there a way with the switch out of the car to test the instrument light?
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Confusing it surely is, sorry. The top pic was not produced or taken by me just the bottom one was. The bottom pic is
what I did to get the switch and fogs to function as I wanted them to.
Hope everything worked out for you!
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Vnyd Dog
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OK Timwhy, help me out. I'm seeing a discrepancy in your wiring between the above image and this one:
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In the first one you indicated to jumper the bottom right to top left pin to get the indicator to turn on. But in the next photo you indicate the wiring should be to jumper top left pin and center pin to the gray wire with blue tracer on the headlight switch. That's what I did and I get the indicator to turn on when I flip the switch but am not getting the instrument light to power on. Just trying to figure out if I wired it correctly per the pics. Should I try another 944 switch or is there a way with the switch out of the car to test the instrument light?
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:56 am Post subject: Re: How did you wire your illuminated headlight/foglight swi |
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Why do switches have to be illuminated?
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This, from someone who homebrewed a cruise control for his rig? Everyone has their own itches to scratch…
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Vnyd Dog
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:17 am Post subject: Re: How did you wire your illuminated headlight/foglight switch |
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Correct. Headlight switch on fog light off. No light. Then flip fog switch and get green indicator light.
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Timwhy
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:50 am Post subject: Re: How did you wire your illuminated headlight/foglight switch |
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| So this is a bit old but I just tried this Mod today following Timwhy's above graphic for wiring. I don't have a light wired in yet but I wanted to go ahead and wire at least the switch. I got the 944 switch off Ebay. I grounded it and jumpered the two power in terminals. Well, unfortunately I'm not getting the face to light up. However when I flip the switch I do trigger the green indicator light. I checked my butt connectors and everything was solid. Is the most likely answer that the bulb in the switch failed or? I mean I must have it grounded right and receiving power since the small indicator light works. |
This happens when you turn on the Headlight switch? Right?
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Vnyd Dog
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: How did you wire your illuminated headlight/foglight switch |
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So this is a bit old but I just tried this Mod today following Timwhy's above graphic for wiring. I don't have a light wired in yet but I wanted to go ahead and wire at least the switch. I got the 944 switch off Ebay. I grounded it and jumpered the two power in terminals. Well, unfortunately I'm not getting the face to light up. However when I flip the switch I do trigger the green indicator light. I checked my butt connectors and everything was solid. Is the most likely answer that the bulb in the switch failed or? I mean I must have it grounded right and receiving power since the small indicator light works.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: How did you wire your illuminated headlight/foglight swi |
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This shows you what wire goes to what, but are you wondering about what wires to tap into to get to the switch?
I put my relay under the column behind dash after I tapped into the High./low beam wires in the column.
There is a grommet that I went thru behind the drivers side headlight. If you take off the grill you should be able to see it.
I ran a cut off zip tie with wire attached to it and pulled it thru. |
Thanks for the quick, and helpful response.
Yes, that is the Fog light switch, which is super helpful. But you mentioned in the first picture that we should tap the power on the *headlight* switch to make it so the fogs can only come on when the headlights are on. What I was asking for was the wire that should be tapped for that. (Red/yellow? Green Yellow?) Which is the Illumination write and which is the main power?
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: How did you wire your illuminated headlight/foglight swi |
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Timwhy
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| Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: How did you wire your illuminated headlight/foglight swi |
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This shows you what wire goes to what, but are you wondering about what wires to tap into to get to the switch?
I put my relay under the column behind dash after I tapped into the High./low beam wires in the column.
There is a grommet that I went thru behind the drivers side headlight. If you take off the grill you should be able to see it.
I ran a cut off zip tie with wire attached to it and pulled it thru.
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The fog light switches have a light inside the switch itself. You do have to get the correct one though, they don't all light up with the head lights turn on. You'll need a Porsche 944 switch from the same era.
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This is just what i was looking for.
It leaves me with some questions though.
What are the corresponding wires I should tap into for headlight power and instrument lights?
Where do you recommend I put the relay? (from the Hella 500 kit)
How do I run through the firewall? Behind the head lights?
Headlight switch for reference:
Thank you! (and yes, I really should buy a Bentley manual, I know. :\ )
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That sir, is what I was trying to find! That will work for the dash mounted fog light rocker switch as well. Thanks!
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This is slightly off topic, but since the OP seems to have it figured out, thought I'd give it a shot:
I have SA grille so don't need fog lights. BUT, I read on Samba somewhere, and can't find it now, about wiring the same dash fog light switch to turn on/off the fuel pump as a stealth antitheft measure.
I have the switch, and would like to do this...
Anyone done this? How does that wiring work? |
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As far as preventing someone from "hot wiring" your van, our fellow experts have recommended a kill switch in the past. Here are two quotes from a thread from last September:
From Dogpilot:
"If your looking to do simple, cutting the power to the fuel pump is an easy one. There is also the power to the ECU makes the van dead as a doornail. The fuel pump is the most straight forward. I don't have any schematics for the 82, so you will have to resourceful on your own. However, it is not rocket science to run a pair of wires down to the pump and make a break point."
From kevinbassplayer:
"Look under the van on the passenger side just behind the fuel tank. There will be a short piece of hose that may or may not have a filter attached, then you will see a roughly 6 inch or so long round thingy that the hose from the tank is attached to. that is the fuel pump. There is a clip with two wires that is attached to the fuel pump, these wires are what deliver power to the fuel pump. The basic idea behind a fuel pump cutoff switch is to cut one of these fuel pump wires and attach a switch in between them. dosen't matter which wire, either one will break the circuit when the switch is in the off position and not allow the pump to run. Switch on, all good."
As far as keeping someone from towing the van, I don't think a "boot" will work if the person towing your car has enough time - he/she can either tow from the boot end of the van or just put the van up on a platform tow truck. If they look legitimate, your neighbors wouldn't even notice! I guess you just have to put up as many obstacles as you can so that towing becomes a real PITA.
I'm about to remodel my house ... once the house is done I'll end up putting in a new driveway. I'm considering putting in some sort of "tie down" anchor ring - which would allow me to chain my Westy.
BTW - I do have the brake "Autolock" ...
http://www.autolock.com/Unbreakable_Auto_BL.htm
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Okay, I'm reviving an old thread here, but I just did this today and this topic is still relevant.
My approach: Rather than mess with the fuel pump power supply, I added a switch to the fuel pump ground.
The following has more detail than needed if you are adept at 12 volt systems, but is wordy to aid my fellow 12 volt noobies.
Shopping list, get most of it at the car parts store:
- stout metal toggle switch, simple on-off with 2 connection points
- 1 roll 16 gauge black or brown wire (black is not mandatory, but it reminds you it's a ground wire.)
- 3 female spade connectors, blue plastic (for med/16 gauge wire, 2 for toggle switch, 1 for fuel pump)
- 1 ring connector, for ground wire to bolt connection
- small bolt and nut, about 1' long (to mount switch and be a ground)
- dozen zip ties
- roll of metal plumbers tape
Step by step:
1) Pulled off the spade connector for the fuel pump ground wire. (Left it in place for possible later use in case I screwed this up =^)
2) Crimped on a spade connector onto 16G wire, and plugged new spade connector onto fuel pump ground.
3) Routed wire along passenger side above gas tank, then out to the front right jack point, up thru small plastic plug in the body, allowing access to the pillar behind the front passenger seat.
4) Pulled off the little air vent thingy, and mounted a stout toggle switch inside the pillar. Wire comes up from fuel pump, connects to one side to the toggle switch, then another short bit of wire (about 6") connect the other side of the switch to a ground bolt.
5) I made a mount for the toggle switch out of about 8" of metal plumber's tape, the ultra handy stuff that is a roll of flexible metal with small holes in it every inch or so. Not very pretty, but this switch will not get much use and will never be seen, so no worries. I had to enlarge the mounting hole a bit with a drill (1/2" bit?) to get the plumber's tape to fit the switch.
I thought a lot about the best place to mount the actual switch. Anyone who has pulled off the little air vent thing on either front door that allows easy access to the pillars probably has wondered about using this cavern as some sort of stash spot. It seemed to me a perfect place to hide the switch, giving fast and easy access from the front of the van yet still fairly stealth.
Tip: When working in the pillar, be sure and stuff a rag down inside below your work area to prevent small dropped items from getting lost forever, ask me how I know this.
If any part of this wiring ever gets cut, damaged, etc, all I need to do is pop off the new spade I added from the pump and reconnect the original spade, about a 10 second process.
I hope this write up helps someone give this project a try. If you are new to 12 volt projects this one is very simple, and a good place to get your feet wet.
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This is slightly off topic, but since the OP seems to have it figured out, thought I'd give it a shot:
I have SA grille so don't need fog lights. BUT, I read on Samba somewhere, and can't find it now, about wiring the same dash fog light switch to turn on/off the fuel pump as a stealth antitheft measure.
I have the switch, and would like to do this...
Anyone done this? How does that wiring work?
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| Where are people getting these 944 switches from? Someplace online? the wrecker? I have the standard non light up switch, can't stand it. |
I have seen a few in eBay from time to time. I bought one here in the classifieds that even had the "plug" for the backside. |
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| Finished the fog light install project but never did figure out the switch bulb. It lights amber in the off position regardless. Tried every position of the ignition power and relay connections on all three posts. It's probably something simple I'm just not seeing at the moment. Fog lights work well! |
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