David Navarez 1963 23-Window @ VW Classic / Barrett-Jackson

[Clara]

[Abscate]

People buying at BJ may not be serious collectors as we think of here. Many more are just people with whimsical purchases with large bankrolls
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[AlteWagen]

so just wondering , what is the world record holding bus worth now knowing it is not only missing the stamped VIN plate but has an altered one in its place? How far would the owner have to go to prove the stamped VIN is authentic? Will it ever be able to be sold at a large auction again?

In the CCC show the CT MVD almost stopped the sale of some vehicles due to VIN removal and replacement. They only allowed sale to continue on the condition that the new owner could receive a refund if there were any issues resulting from altered VIN.

I think any serious collector who actually knows anything about buses wouldnt touch this thing with a 10 foot pole. Any hope for resale at market price would be private sale to a non VW person (non bus nerd) otherwise only worth 1/4 its record holding amount.
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[Malokin Martin]

Sketchy

[AlteWagen]

I thought arizona DMV was pretty strict on vin tags on the high dollar auctions. Maybe the pre inspection caught it.
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[EverettB]

Hmmmm, maybe. Or sold outside the auction. I wonder though - Does that happen? I would guess Yes.
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[AlteWagen]

Thought I would add the vin pics to the gallery before RM pulled them

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[AlteWagen]

[doublecabmel]

Everett, will you be stopping by RM? I'll be there. My # is around $75 on this bus (including premium)

[EverettB]

[Lind]

[turkis-deluxe]

[PeteSC]

[crofty]

[Lind]

Was this the turkis/bluewhite deluxe bus that had a bad engine fire prior to it becoming famous?
If so, that could explain the damage to the vin plate and need for a cheesy illegal stamping.

Are there pictures of the original factory M-code plate?

If someone were to buy it on an auction description that says "Finished in correct factory colors" and then get a birth certificate showing that the correct color is the more common less desirable turkis/bluewhite combo, could they return the bus and get their ~$100k back?

If this bus gets half of what it sold for previously, will the press report that the bus market has crashed and then they all become less valuable?
(I like to dream about such things)
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[Malokin Martin]

In case you missed it: I don't think this was ever fully explained

[jeremy57ride]

I wonder if it is truly "no reserve" - What's the over under on 100k? From recent big auction sales it may not get there

Either way.. that bus will always be historic. I've never had more folks approach me about ~ "what my bus is worth" then after that sale. That bus took many, many, many 2,000 dollar buses off the market. In fact, I think the market is still inflated due to that sale. On another note- the vin tag and missing air cleaner bracket is shocking
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[Z]

I bet they had 200 pics to choose from, and someone at BJ is regretting choosing that one to include in the ad.

[EmpiGT]

On a side note, looking at the two tags above when did they change the stampings on them. Like the "heizg".... ect and the weight numbers below.