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splitjunkie
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 Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: Floorpans: Gerson VS Wolfsburg West |
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Virtanen makes pan repair panels. But not complete pans.
Gerson's pans are as close to original as you are going to get.
True they don't come with seat tracks but your old ones can be used.
WW's are nice but incorrect for an early oval or a split. They are not 100% accurate for a later oval but they are pretty close.
The Brazilian and Danish pans are thinner and don't fit as well. They usually have wrinkles in the metal due to low quality or worn out press dies.
I highly recommend the Gerson's pans due to the quality. If you are not worried about all of the details being correct then go with the WW pans.
I wouldn't use the Danish or Brazillian pans on any car. Their quality is poor and the ammount of labor to get them fitting correctly will be more and you still end up with really thin pans.
As far as mat studs. The '55 and earlier are available from WW and are just basically generic upholstery snaps. There is someone making the '56 and later weld on studs.
As with most things for air cooled VW, you usually need to buy parts from various sources because there a a lot of niche manufacturers making different parts.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 4:31 am Post subject: Re: Floorpans: Gerson VS Wolfsburg West |
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Thought I would revive this thread as I need to purchase floor pans for my '56.
My question is are there only three choices? Gerson, WW, and Brazil? Is there any other companies making these pans?
Gerson = reusing old seat tracks, jack and rear support?
WW = welding new seat tracks, jack and rear support?
Brazil = thin metal but ready to use?
None of them seem to have the 'knob/tabs' for securing the floor mat?
Any additional information will be greatly appreciated, thanks.
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bluebeetle1968
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Is anyone producing anything for us (un)lucky enough to be in the RHD world?
I would love a pair for my late ('57) oval!
They're still in good condition at the moment - but it can never hurt to have too many spares right?
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72MUST
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It seems WWest now list pan halves for ' 56 / '57 Beetles which have a different WWest part number to those for ' 58 - ' 70 .
This would indicate a difference in the actual part.
Un fortunately no photo of the ' 56 / ' 57 type on WWest website
Does anyone know whether the WW ' 56 / ' 57 pan halves now have the correct pressing in the pedal area ?
( ie 2 bolt pedal stop & without extra dimples etc ) |
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Try calling? |
Sent them an email few days back , figured it gave them time to give a well informed response....thought it might be useful to have real world
view from someone who had purchased / fitted them too |
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66brm
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It seems WWest now list pan halves for ' 56 / '57 Beetles which have a different WWest part number to those for ' 58 - ' 70 .
This would indicate a difference in the actual part.
Un fortunately no photo of the ' 56 / ' 57 type on WWest website
Does anyone know whether the WW ' 56 / ' 57 pan halves now have the correct pressing in the pedal area ?
( ie 2 bolt pedal stop & without extra dimples etc ) |
Anyone know ? |
Try calling?
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72MUST
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:48 am Post subject: |
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It seems WWest now list pan halves for ' 56 / '57 Beetles which have a different WWest part number to those for ' 58 - ' 70 .
This would indicate a difference in the actual part.
Un fortunately no photo of the ' 56 / ' 57 type on WWest website
Does anyone know whether the WW ' 56 / ' 57 pan halves now have the correct pressing in the pedal area ?
( ie 2 bolt pedal stop & without extra dimples etc ) |
Anyone know ? |
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Sunroof53
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:39 pm Post subject: Re: Virtanen |
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Virtanen makes many good panels for early cars .i have recently bought a few of his panels and can testify that he does great work.He makes jacking points for split and oval .See for yourself here.Sensible prices to.
http://restorationpanels.com/Type1-Oval-window-beetle.php
Mike. |
Nice repair panels , but your pans would actually need to be quite good
otherwise to use those |
Ideal for someone who has just fitted new pans which I thought the thread was about.I have seen klockenheim panels which have the surrounding material attached ,but not early style.
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72MUST
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:55 am Post subject: Re: Virtanen |
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| Sunroof53 wrote: |
Virtanen makes many good panels for early cars .i have recently bought a few of his panels and can testify that he does great work.He makes jacking points for split and oval .See for yourself here.Sensible prices to.
http://restorationpanels.com/Type1-Oval-window-beetle.php
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Nice repair panels , but your pans would actually need to be quite good
otherwise to use those |
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| ok, looks like I will have to buy several sets of og late oval pans, early post oval pans and early sixties pans in order to get this correct..... |
an for rhd.....
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Sunroof53
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:26 am Post subject: Virtanen |
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Virtanen makes many good panels for early cars .i have recently bought a few of his panels and can testify that he does great work.He makes jacking points for split and oval .See for yourself here.Sensible prices to.
http://restorationpanels.com/Type1-Oval-window-beetle.php
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72MUST
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Informative thread ;
Over time new products are introduced ...!
It seems WWest now list pan halves for ' 56 / '57 Beetles which have a different WW part number to those for ' 58 - ' 70 .
This would indicate a difference in the actual part.
Un fortunately no photo of the ' 56 / ' 57 type.
Does anyone know whether the WW ' 56 / ' 57 pan halves now have the correct pressing in the pedal area ?
( ie 2 bolt pedal stop & without extra dimples etc ) |
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BartD
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| Yes I do, but on the ww are two pressing that are on the originals and not on the kF pans. I think these are for the gas pedal they are about 2" long. Or do they build the correct one now? |
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VWsArent4Hippies
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Is there already a correct floorpan for a '59? Have the sale problem here.
The only problem i see,is that the drivers side panel isnt correct, the ww right panel can be used and looks the same. |
KF makes the correct floor pan for your car. WW does not. The front pressings on the WW pans are for later, 60's cars. You need the provisions for a two bolt pedal stop.. |
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BartD
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Is there already a correct floorpan for a '59? Have the sale problem here.
The only problem i see,is that the drivers side panel isnt correct, the ww right panel can be used and looks the same. |
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VWsArent4Hippies
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What years did the seat track "ramps" go through? Is it a vert only thing?
This is my Oct 55 kabrio, notice small ramps supporting front edge of seat tracks.
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Nope, not vert only. Just a early '56 thing. Aug. 55- Dec. 55. They changed to the later style without the "ramp" at chassis 1053294 |
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What years did the seat track "ramps" go through? Is it a vert only thing?
This is my Oct 55 kabrio, notice small ramps supporting front edge of seat tracks.
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splitjunkie
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If someone is wanting to jack up your car for nefarious purposed, I really doubt they would just happen to have a stock vw jack on them. They would use a bottle jack or other generic jack.
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sunroof
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I am very interested in this thread as I have a '59 that I will start restoring soon and would like to get pans that are as correct as possible.
As for jack points: I am tempted to remove them altogether so no one ever uses them to jack up the car.
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VWsArent4Hippies
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:22 am Post subject: Re: Floorpans: Gerson VS Wolfsburg West |
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| I have not seen anyone reproducing correct jackpoints for early cars either. |
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| First of all, WW jackpoints and seat tracks are not crap. Maybe you haven't had experience with them lately to see that. You should start a seperate thread showing all of the work you have done supporting your claim. I would love to compare notes. |
So have you got a part number of these incorrect but not crap WW jackpoints? |
I do not have a part #, i'm sure if you call them they would help you out. The last set of WW pans I put in a month or so ago came with bare metal jackpoints. They were very thick and the quality was nice. But again, they are not correct for early cars
Here are some pictures showing the differences. The first one is the early style (not available), and the black one is the late style you get with WW pans.
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Volumex
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:25 am Post subject: Re: Floorpans: Gerson VS Wolfsburg West |
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| I have not seen anyone reproducing correct jackpoints for early cars either. |
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| First of all, WW jackpoints and seat tracks are not crap. Maybe you haven't had experience with them lately to see that. You should start a seperate thread showing all of the work you have done supporting your claim. I would love to compare notes. |
So have you got a part number of these incorrect but not crap WW jackpoints? |
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