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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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areas are designated R-1, R-16, etc. for a reason - if lots of people are camping on the streets that causes problems, not to mention the tax base issues


Tell it to the 1%. The little guys living in their vans aren't the source of this country's tax problems. Besides, in a free country there should be no problem spending a night or two on public land if you're not bothering anyone.


public land is one thing - a neighborhood is something else

are claiming that economic inequity makes it ok to break zoning laws? or all laws?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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areas are designated R-1, R-16, etc. for a reason - if lots of people are camping on the streets that causes problems, not to mention the tax base issues


Tell it to the 1%. The little guys living in their vans aren't the source of this country's tax problems. Besides, in a free country there should be no problem spending a night or two on public land if you're not bothering anyone.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes that would be nice or find a way to replace the fabric with a rigid panel for security. I'm just spitballing here but it would be nice to come up with something better. I'm lowering my bay now just because I'm getting tired of letting air out of the tires to squeeze it into the garage. I put a riviera top on it but it'd be nice to come up with a stealthier option.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chazz79, is this the type of conversion you've got in mind?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chazz79 wrote:

If someone where to use that for a basic model for a pop top but more of a roof over a roof (leaving the b and c pillars intact) this could work. That set up with a dormobile style top and maybe an air mattress to keep everything low profile? It would be nice to have something that can fit in normal garages and still camp a family of four.


I'm thinking the same thing, I think.

Are you saying use the existing metal roof as the lid of the dormobile-style conversion (like in the picture,) meaning cutting the roof, reinforcing the pillars and converting the C pillar to more of a Westy C pillar style, OR

leave the entire roof intact (excepting the cutout for roof access) and fabricate or source a camper shell similar to the dormobile conversions? In that case, you'd need some sort of frame to mate the bed platform to the tin top. Would this defeat the purpose of being able to fit it in a garage?

There's a thread here: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=583436 where someone did that with a Wesfalia.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's not for passengers, it's for selling crap out of. The passenger side drops down to the belt line-flopping out like a shelf. The only seats in it are in the front like a single cab. It's a professional hack job it was in the selling stuff out of your bus thread awhile ago. There's more pics of it posted somewhere around here. I think it got used as a coffee shop.

If someone where to use that for a basic model for a pop top but more of a roof over a roof (leaving the b and c pillars intact) this could work. That set up with a dormobile style top and maybe an air mattress to keep everything low profile? It would be nice to have something that can fit in normal garages and still camp a family of four.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There's added bracing in the roof and the hatch is welded shut. I'd say they thought about structure enough. The body has to be as strong and safe as a single cab.

But you don't carry passengers in the back of a single cab.

To be clear, I meant that I'd have a brace going side to side to connect or I guess mimic the C pillar, just like Westphalia did. I see that they did brace the roof and I assume the rear hatch is welded up as a reinforcement measure.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to use these for tie downs, just haven't gotten organized to order them yet...It is what we uses for wheelchairs in Vans years ago. No idea what they do now.

http://www.macscustomtiedowns.com/category/VersaTieTrackKits

And, for stealth, I think a hightop is the only way to go.

Also, are you *sure* you need, want and will use a built in kitchen? I *had* to have one and have only used it a few times, prefer to be outside and it's always so cramped inside.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's added bracing in the roof and the hatch is welded shut. I'd say they thought about structure enough. The body has to be as strong and safe as a single cab.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:41 am    Post subject: Re: Something like this? Reply with quote

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But the C pillar completely with no reinforcement? Shocked Shocked Shocked
I know that is probably a trailer queen, but I think I'd reinforce that area. A rollover would be disasterous for anyone in the back.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Stealth pop Reply with quote

Blueconundrum wrote:
Has anyone considered pop-up-izing the actual roof of the van?


Mercedes makes one, its called a sprinter Wink


In 3 years I spent 400 nights or so in my westy, never had a problem anywhere, as others have mentioned, just be courteous and move around each night or every couple nights.


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but ask how you'd like someone camping in your own neighborhood first



Why would they camp in my neighborhood when they could camp at the foot of teton national park for free a few miles up the road?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

areas are designated R-1, R-16, etc. for a reason - if lots of people are camping on the streets that causes problems, not to mention the tax base issues
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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but ask how you'd like someone camping in your own neighborhood first


Wouldn't care at all as long as they're good people and don't trash the place.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

for stealth, you need a plumber's van - add signage saying "24 Hour Emergency Response" on it

but ask how you'd like someone camping in your own neighborhood first
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 11:56 am    Post subject: Something like this? Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I put an asi on my syncro. Very little structure was needed as the hole was cut between the roof top structural members. Stick to that design parameter and the popup part becomes a cork. I have pictures in my build thread.

I too am building a custom interior. Please share your design ideas when you are ready or as appropriate.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hans j wrote:
Since I'm looking to build a camper out of a tin-top, I'm looking more into the reimo pilzdach. They are still listed on their website at about 1100 euro (~$1500) and I hear import fees are tremendous! Is there still interest in them if I do decide to import one? Cost could be up there with shipping and fees FYI.
I know where there is a repro complete SO42 mushroom style roof(English Company) that is already stateside. IIRC, he wanted what he was into it, about $2500. That price was too much for my friend who was looking to add one to his Hafliger. It may still be available....
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since I'm looking to build a camper out of a tin-top, I'm looking more into the reimo pilzdach. They are still listed on their website at about 1100 euro (~$1500) and I hear import fees are tremendous! Is there still interest in them if I do decide to import one? Cost could be up there with shipping and fees FYI.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now that your family is familiar with what to do, mmmm perhaps I (mine) could be next. Just kidding. That sure is nice and very efficient loooking. Oh my I just saw some Jalousies. That is definitely a next winter job.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fresh cinnimon buns for breakfast and apple crisp for dinner dessert are well luxurious while camping..
have even made lasagna while traveling.. Shhh
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