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Danwvw
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 Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: My attempt at a 1904 |
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Some oil filters drain back and this can make quite a bit of difference on a dip stick readings. I had to try several brands etc to find one that worked well.
The Hastings LF493F seemed to work well to stop it. As did the Wix-51342 These filters do have a higher bypass valve pressure of 16 PSI Whereas the usual VW Type 1 Engine and type 4's use a 6 or 7 psi bypass pressure. Perhaps this is why they solve the problem.
I have noticed that the 74mm Crank does pick up the oil and blow it out of the engine If I drive above 75 MPH for a long time. Perhaps yours was just too full of oil so it was smoking.
My engine didn't really settle in and have Zero valve adjust needed until It had about 15,000 on it and I switched from Castrol 5W30 to Mobel 1 0W40 and quit adding the ZDDP.
Took it out on the Interstate for a 100miles at 75mph or more. It was like 95' degrees out that day too. It went through a 1/2" quart of oil doing that but it broke it in. Valve adjustments are stable now and no smoke at all and it's not using any oil if it stay below 70mph.
I don't really have a proper breather setup on mine.
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calvinater
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:56 pm Post subject: Re: My attempt at a 1904 |
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OK so is thing still running?
Still using that 010 distributor?
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Hey skills, are you going to have that mill dialled in by Litchfield? Looking forward to seeing it and swapping lies.
See you there.
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| [email protected] wrote: |
| this is not unusual for a fresh engine. Things should stabilize as it gets more miles on it. Just remember to periodically re-set idle mixture screws and check the timing and valve lash until things stop changing. |
for sure! i plan on doing some work with a LM-1 at some point too. i will either rent yours or see about borrowing a friends. i want to get her all dialed in the best i can
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| Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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this is not unusual for a fresh engine. Things should stabilize as it gets more miles on it. Just remember to periodically re-set idle mixture screws and check the timing and valve lash until things stop changing.
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| maybe i missed it.. but you had the oil level at the full mark on the dipstick with a 1 1/2 qt. sump. it was smoking. drained 1/2 qt. out and shes good to go?? |
what happend was the engine was 'new'. primed it, then filled it with break in oil. cranked it till the oil pressure gauge started to show pressure. topped it up to the 'full' mark on the stick. did break in, dumped oil and filled back up to the 'full' on the stick.
from there, ran it more on the stand then installed it in the bus. the whole time, it smoked as seen in the video's. as a sanity check (and suggested by john@aircooled) i dumped the oil again. put in exactly 2.63 quarts, let it settle and check oil level.
upon doing that, my 'full' mark was about 3/16-1/4 inch LOWER than the full mark on the stick. tried 4 different sticks, all came up the same. so, in total, with my lines and filter, it takes 3 and a spit quarts of oil total. (the spit is less than 1/4 of a quart)
if i filled it to the 'full' mark on the stick, it took 4 quarts even. so in all actuallity i overfilled it by almost 1 quart. i guess that would contribute to the smoke.
part of me feels like a toolbag for letting that happen, but it was a used case. i would have NEVER thought to check that the dipstick read correctly on a used, OE case. but like anything else, weird shit happens. perhaps the dip stick tube came loose at one point, and is just too far up...i have no clue, but i am glad that the fogger stopped and is clearing up the more i drive it
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VIN
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maybe i missed it.. but you had the oil level at the full mark on the dipstick with a 1 1/2 qt. sump. it was smoking. drained 1/2 qt. out and shes good to go??
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skills@eurocarsplus
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just wanted to give this a bit of an update. after dumping the oil, adding the 'correct' amount to the case and about 35 more miles of driving, it seems that the freight train has left the station 
i can't repeat the smoke screen as i did in my last video. it is a bit on the rich side, but once the weather breaks, i will start on the carb tuning end of things.
as it stands now, i am getting about 18ish mpg, but that has been some spirited blasting around too. i will keep this updated as i go
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
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| Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
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| Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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skills@eurocarsplus
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i am using a mann W-917
here are the specs
Principle Application:
Alfa-Romeo (86-93), Nissan Cars (67-89), Porsche (70-76), VW (71-83), Case, David Brown, Ford, New Holland Tractors, Nissan, Toyota Forklifts
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Spin-On Lube Filter
Service:
Lube
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Full Flow
Media:
Paper
Height:
3.79
Outer Diameter Top:
3.66
Outer Diameter Bottom:
Closed:
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3/4-16
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI:
8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve:
Yes
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2/20=6/20
Burst Pressure-PSI:
325
Max Flow Rate:
7-9 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating:
21
it had a pretty good burst pressure rating and micron rating, so i went with it. if there is a issue, please let me know
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
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| Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
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| Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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what filter are you using BTW?
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| Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Interesting timing, I just changed the oil myself. It took 2.5 quarts to get between the lines of my 40 horse dipstick, I did not change the filter. |
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true.... you can trust nothing...not even a used case or oe dipstick. i want to thank you guys again, john, modok, srp1 and all the others that have advised me through this. i am keeping my fingers crossed that 1) the rings seated and 2) the oil level issue is all under control.
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It's SO frustrating sometimes, you have to check EVERYTHING anymore.
People new to the VW hobby think we are being jerks or "trying to make a point", or exaggerate, but it's just the way it is anymore.
I hope this drop in oil level solves the fogging issue.
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skills@eurocarsplus
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Well then, shame on me for not making sure the dip stick was correct. According to the stick, 4 quarts registered full.
Dumping the oil, adding just 2.5 to the sump showed my oil level as low. I scribed a new mark, ran bus and topped up to the new mark. That being said, it took a total of 3 and a spit quarts to get it to my new full scribe mark.
I am thinking this may have been the issue the whole time. I will report back with my findings
This is your baby too john 
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I never said you didn't do what I suggested. I'm just trying to help. The rings do not suck. Either there is a problem with something, or there isn't. FOR NOW let's assume there is no problem with installation, and try to fix what we can without taking the engine apart.
1/2qt too much is "overfilled" in my experience.
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Yes, h2 oil non syn.
John...dumped oil. Added 2.5 quarts. Let it settle. Check. It was NOT at the full level. Scratch new 'full' mark. Start bus, fill lines and filter. Re check oil level. It dropped. Fill back up to my 'new' full mark. Took 3 and 1/4 quarts total.
Ran bus for a bit, 10-15 minutes. Oil filter warm to touch. Smack throttle, no oil smoke, just a tad fat
Has t stat and flaps.
Why would you think I didn't do what I said? I am trying to figure out if it is my error, or the rings suck.
You say add the correct amount. I believe I did this time. 2.5 qts, run, re check and add to my new scratch mark on the stick for a total of 3.25 qts.
I had filled it to the full mark in the beginning, that was a full 4 quarts. This issue could be on me, not the rings.
So, how full is over filled? .25 quart? 1/2 quart? |
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skills@eurocarsplus
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Yes, h2 oil non syn.
John...dumped oil. Added 2.5 quarts. Let it settle. Check. It was NOT at the full level. Scratch new 'full' mark. Start bus, fill lines and filter. Re check oil level. It dropped. Fill back up to my 'new' full mark. Took 3 and 1/4 quarts total.
Ran bus for a bit, 10-15 minutes. Oil filter warm to touch. Smack throttle, no oil smoke, just a tad fat
Has t stat and flaps.
Why would you think I didn't do what I said? I am trying to figure out if it is my error, or the rings suck.
You say add the correct amount. I believe I did this time. 2.5 qts, run, re check and add to my new scratch mark on the stick for a total of 3.25 qts.
I had filled it to the full mark in the beginning, that was a full 4 quarts. This issue could be on me, not the rings.
So, how full is over filled? .25 quart? 1/2 quart?
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| Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:19 am Post subject: |
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I don't think you did what you said. 
Just change the oil and put the right amount in, and drive it. Does the engine have a thermostat?
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Did you use synthetic oil for breakin? That will cause the rings not to seat if so. I only see the 10-30 Gibbs in synthetic inless it is H2 oil.
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