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ronmac Samba Member
Joined: May 04, 2023 Posts: 9 Location: Edmonton, Alberta
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oakman Samba Member

Joined: February 05, 2014 Posts: 1749 Location: Edge of the Desert, Ca
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Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 8:35 am Post subject: Re: Sealing Wax Red Paint Color - Inconsistent results |
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von_hansel wrote: |
oakman wrote: |
The color on this beauty is spot-on to what the original SWR looked like on this bus. |
Does it make you wish you kept it?
I tried finding before pics in your gallery but I couldn't. It came out really nice.
RanDoug would describe it as "RAD" |
I always want to keep them all, but can't afford to, and also don't have the time to spend on them. That bus hibernated in my storage container for years before I finally let it go to him. It was my first "early" bus, I bought it when nobody else thought it was worth it at the time!
The before pictures make it even that more impressive. _________________ Brandon |
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von_hansel  Samba Member

Joined: June 12, 2006 Posts: 814 Location: Inland Empire
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Posted: Wed May 01, 2024 7:11 am Post subject: Re: Sealing Wax Red Paint Color - Inconsistent results |
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oakman wrote: |
The color on this beauty is spot-on to what the original SWR looked like on this bus. |
Does it make you wish you kept it?
I tried finding before pics in your gallery but I couldn't. It came out really nice.
RanDoug would describe it as "RAD" _________________
Mugatu wrote: |
von_hansel is still so hot right now |
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oakman Samba Member

Joined: February 05, 2014 Posts: 1749 Location: Edge of the Desert, Ca
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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing Wax Red Paint Color - Inconsistent results |
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von_hansel wrote: |
Chuey wrote: |
There was a man from Hesperia who restores buses who had a panel bus that he restored BEAUTIFULLY and it was all SWR. I think he got his gray interior panels from Clara. She may know who I'm referring to and if so, he would be a great resource.
Good Luck,
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You are talking about Shaun from Slow Ride Garage. His 1960 panel is impressive. |
The color on this beauty is spot-on to what the original SWR looked like on this bus. _________________ Brandon |
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velvetgreen Samba Member

Joined: August 17, 2004 Posts: 2893 Location: Canada
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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing Wax Red Paint Color - Inconsistent results |
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From the random NOS thread..
this piece was just pulled from cardboard it has been stored in since new so i suspect it is pretty accurate |
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von_hansel  Samba Member

Joined: June 12, 2006 Posts: 814 Location: Inland Empire
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Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:41 am Post subject: Re: Sealing Wax Red Paint Color - Inconsistent results |
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Chuey wrote: |
There was a man from Hesperia who restores buses who had a panel bus that he restored BEAUTIFULLY and it was all SWR. I think he got his gray interior panels from Clara. She may know who I'm referring to and if so, he would be a great resource.
Good Luck,
Chuey |
You are talking about Shaun from Slow Ride Garage. His 1960 panel is impressive. _________________
Mugatu wrote: |
von_hansel is still so hot right now |
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Chuey Samba Member
Joined: October 18, 2010 Posts: 886 Location: Oceanside, California
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Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing Wax Red Paint Color - Inconsistent results |
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Then there's the viewpoint like mine. I went with SWR and Beige Gray on a 67 crew cab I used to own. That was "incorrect". But, I liked it. I'm not trying to please a cadre of purists with my paint jobs. Though, I do agree that finding a color(s) from the body of stock choices usually makes it so you won't regret it as time goes on.
At OCTO this last time, I saw several SWR paint examples that were all different. One, I asked what color it was and was told SWR. It looked like it had dipped a little bit of light brown into the mix. That color, if it ended up on my bus, would be even better to my eye than the right formula. There was a man from Hesperia who restores buses who had a panel bus that he restored BEAUTIFULLY and it was all SWR. I think he got his gray interior panels from Clara. She may know who I'm referring to and if so, he would be a great resource.
I figure if you like the color that goes on your bus, you will be happy even if it's not perfectly "correct" but instead, just what you expected.
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Chuey |
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BulliBill Samba Member

Joined: July 09, 2004 Posts: 4776 Location: St Charles, MO
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Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 9:03 am Post subject: Re: Sealing Wax Red Paint Color - Inconsistent results |
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Just for another comparable, here are a couple of photos of my original paint SWR 1959 Double-Door Panel. I buffed out the chalky paint until it shined again. We had to repaint the nose skin and used SWR as it would be if new, so you can see the difference between new "day one" paint and the 60 year old faded but polished SWR. The original paint is faded with age and exposure to an almost salmon color...
In spots on the front cab door the SWR as worn off to expose the primer below. And with help from master OG paint match-maker "Lind" I have since replaced the surface-rusty engine lid with a much nicer OG SWR decklid.
Bill Bowman _________________ I'm looking for these license plate frames for my fleet:
Coeur D'Alene - Lake Shore Volkswagen
Mission VW - San Fernando
Thornton VW - Stockton
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thom Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2000 Posts: 6176 Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:53 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing Wax Red Paint Color - Inconsistent results |
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_________________ -Thom
1956 Single Cab
1957 Porsche 356A Sunroof
1957 23-Window Deluxe
1957 Mercedes Westfalia single cab
1963 Unimog 404
1965 E-Type |
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redbug64 Samba Member

Joined: July 21, 2005 Posts: 520 Location: Fairfax/Essex, Vermont
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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 5:12 am Post subject: Re: Sealing Wax Red Paint Color - Inconsistent results |
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My bad! I missed the link. Thanks! Anyone else have the mixed for any different brands? _________________ Jason Arms
Fairfax, Vermont
1954 Standard Beetle
1965 Firetruck Red Double Cab
1975 Porsche 911
1984 Rabbit L
1988 Scirocco 16v
Random Toyota daily drivers because winter. |
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ronjonlasvegas Samba Member

Joined: October 08, 2004 Posts: 946 Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:54 am Post subject: Re: Sealing Wax Red Paint Color - Inconsistent results |
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Kurt posted his link earlier in this thread and in that link it showed his paint match. Here is the photo, but the credit goes to Kurt.
_________________ September 1964 Standard Sunroof walk through SWR/BG original paint. |
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redbug64 Samba Member

Joined: July 21, 2005 Posts: 520 Location: Fairfax/Essex, Vermont
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing Wax Red Paint Color - Inconsistent results |
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Does anyone have the paint brand and tint mix ratios to share of an accurate spray? _________________ Jason Arms
Fairfax, Vermont
1954 Standard Beetle
1965 Firetruck Red Double Cab
1975 Porsche 911
1984 Rabbit L
1988 Scirocco 16v
Random Toyota daily drivers because winter. |
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EverettB  Administrator

Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 71536 Location: Phoenix 602
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing Wax Red Paint Color - Inconsistent results |
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MrPolak wrote: |
I'd like to add to what others say about photos. I use a calibrated display and use a neutral grey color to adjust color temps in my photos. If your monitor is not calibrated then colors will appear differently.
This picture I took of the Canadian 15-window is the closest color match to reality that I can remember.
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This photo looks really accurate to me on my computer here from Buses I have seen in person. _________________ How to Post Photos
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mandraks Samba Member

Joined: November 28, 2004 Posts: 7117 Location: Lawrenceville, Ga
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:43 am Post subject: Re: Sealing Wax Red Paint Color - Inconsistent results |
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kcyu wrote: |
My gratitude to the forum member for bringing my attention to the misspelling of the color Titian Red. I am afraid my frustration with color matching got the better of me and no affront was intended. |
just in the nick of time i am sure you would rather get your bus painted by titian the painter than by a titan  _________________ regards
Uli
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'53 3-Fold Oval, L35 Metallic Blue, looking for a narrow hatch panel |
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kcyu Samba Member
Joined: December 12, 2015 Posts: 17 Location: canada
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:26 am Post subject: Re: Sealing Wax Red Paint Color - Inconsistent results |
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My gratitude to the forum member for bringing my attention to the misspelling of the color Titian Red. I am afraid my frustration with color matching got the better of me and no affront was intended. |
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MrPolak Samba Member

Joined: June 20, 2004 Posts: 1381 Location: AG ,atnaltA
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 9:57 am Post subject: Re: Sealing Wax Red Paint Color - Inconsistent results |
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I'd like to add to what others say about photos. I use a calibrated display and use a neutral grey color to adjust color temps in my photos. If your monitor is not calibrated then colors will appear differently.
This picture I took of the Canadian 15-window is the closest color match to reality that I can remember.
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Karly Samba Member

Joined: August 01, 2002 Posts: 641 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 12:12 am Post subject: Re: Sealing Wax Red Paint Color - Inconsistent results |
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Unfortunately pictures aren't really great to use for this purpose - they look different on each screen and depending on light etc. My pearl white bug looks grey/green in certain lights and bright white in others. But the important thing is that it ends up a shade that you can live with  _________________ 1960 Beetle ''Heidi" daily driver
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kcyu Samba Member
Joined: December 12, 2015 Posts: 17 Location: canada
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:41 pm Post subject: Re: Sealing Wax Red Paint Color - Inconsistent results |
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Regrettably, I do not have an OG piece and have been unable to source one with the Beige Gray color. The picture in my most recent post was a printed copy of picture #4 in my original post, that I had brought down to my painter as a source of reference. After reviewing all the helpful responses that I have received, it seems that most of the pictures of the Beige/Gray - Titan Red combination I have researched support picture # 4 in my original post. It appears to my eye to be predominantly gray with a hint of beige. I have sent the pictures to my painter and have asked him to use the pictures as a reference when mixing the paint.
I have attached a sample of pictures that I have encountered on the web.
With thanks.
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earlywesty Samba Member

Joined: May 03, 2004 Posts: 2378 Location: In the woods, Ontario
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 1:53 pm Post subject: Re: VW Paint Colors - Inconsistent results |
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buseric wrote: |
kcyu wrote: |
I have received and taken the advise of fellow members and selected a different color combination than originally considered. Due to the inconsistencies of SWR, I have selected a more period correct Beige Gray with Titan Red for my 67 split.
I took the paint codes from VW and their crossed referenced counterparts - PPG, Dupont, and RM BASF to my painter to mix up samples. Much to my dismay, although the Titan Red was close to the numerous pictures I researched on the internet - the Beige Gray was shockingly darker, almost a cafe latte in color. It did not resemble any of the light beige grays that I had encountered nor pictures 4 and 5 on my initial post.
I am perplexed as to the variation and feel hesitant in proceeding further. Please find attached a picture of the color combination as revealed by my research and the mixed color swatches by the painter.
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You will need to have the paint shop continue tinting it and trying until you get it correct. This is very common. It would be odd if the first mix turned out exactly as you desired/factory. It would be good to have an og small BG piece to give them to reference while tinting. You may not have a part lying around though. |
And furthermore I am not sure the bus in the above photo is the correct shade of beige grey. It does not look like og paint and looks too white. If you hold pearl white or silver white (the bumper colours) next to beige grey you will see why it is named so. Although the tests you have their look significantly too beige to me.... |
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earlywesty Samba Member

Joined: May 03, 2004 Posts: 2378 Location: In the woods, Ontario
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 1:50 pm Post subject: Re: VW Paint Colors - Inconsistent results |
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kcyu wrote: |
I have received and taken the advise of fellow members and selected a different color combination than originally considered. Due to the inconsistencies of SWR, I have selected a more period correct Beige Gray with Titan Red for my 67 split.
I took the paint codes from VW and their crossed referenced counterparts - PPG, Dupont, and RM BASF to my painter to mix up samples. Much to my dismay, although the Titan Red was close to the numerous pictures I researched on the internet - the Beige Gray was shockingly darker, almost a cafe latte in color. It did not resemble any of the light beige grays that I had encountered nor pictures 4 and 5 on my initial post.
I am perplexed as to the variation and feel hesitant in proceeding further. Please find attached a picture of the color combination as revealed by my research and the mixed color swatches by the painter.
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You will need to have the paint shop continue tinting it and trying until you get it correct. This is very common. It would be odd if the first mix turned out exactly as you desired/factory. It would be good to have an og small BG piece to give them to reference while tinting. You may not have a part lying around though. |
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