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cnp Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:01 pm Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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Kroil should be tried as a penetrating oil. A day or so should loosen up everything. This can be purchased typically at HVAC or hydraulic suppliers. |
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hazaa Samba Member
Joined: October 23, 2016 Posts: 44
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:00 am Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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Manfred58sc wrote: |
Agreed (on the patching advice). You will like your Bus much better leaving it stock height if you want to really drive it (lowered Bus's do look good on lawns at car shows however..). I would focus attention / money on the engine and brakes after patching the beam. Road trips= great memories |
Good point. Thanks. I will put standart brakes just all system new. So i know they work good and there are no problems. How i understood standart stystem is oki and no problems. At least with how i talked |
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Manfred58sc Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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Agreed (on the patching advice). You will like your Bus much better leaving it stock height if you want to really drive it (lowered Bus's do look good on lawns at car shows however..). I would focus attention / money on the engine and brakes after patching the beam. Road trips= great memories _________________ Fat chick owner/operator |
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busdaddy Samba Member

Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 52917 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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Narrowing is to allow lowered wheels to clear fender lips for the most part, if you are staying stock you don't need it. But if you leave off the stops you risk slashing a tire when hitting a raelly big dip, I'm not a fan of stop removal regardless of height.
If I was in your shoes I'd cut/grind out smallish sections at a time and replace them with fresh metal (business card size?), then move on to the next section, leaving most of the structure in place reduces warping, lots of seams to grind is the trade off but it's hard to see the beam in most cases so who cares as long as it's solid? Do remove the bushings or bearings first so you don't cook them. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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hazaa Samba Member
Joined: October 23, 2016 Posts: 44
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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hi, guys didnt wanted to make new post, so decide to ask here.
you all see my beam how it looked and all shock towers is rusted , can i just cut out shock towers ( like you guys do for narrowed front beam) and make shock towers from metal ( like you do on narrowed beam) weld it on my beam?? ( course before take out all bearings and other stuff)??
and if i do so do i need to put rubber stops for trailing arm??
and second question is about narrowing the front beam.
I looked lot of info but my question is narrowing only for those how want to get bigger wheels in the buss and that they can lower the buss? There are no other benefits to it?
because how i understood if i narrow the beam that i need also to put different stearing rod so i compensate that tie rod on driver side is smaller, so it better turns that tire? or i missing some thing  |
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cmonSTART Samba Member

Joined: July 15, 2014 Posts: 1915 Location: NH
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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I guess my thought was they looked like the factory did that on one end anyay for assembly.
But, honestly a couple vice-grips would probably work fine too. _________________ '78 Bus 2.0FI
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Starbucket Samba Member

Joined: April 30, 2007 Posts: 4213 Location: WA
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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timvw7476 wrote: |
cmonSTART wrote: |
Has anyone tried to tack weld the leaves back together on one end before removing them? That was one of those hindsight thoughts I had when I did my beam - might have made reassembly easier rather than trying to feed the leaves through one at a time. |
The torch MIGHT screw the heat treatment of the leaves.
Then more breakage would follow.
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Might try clamping a hose clamp around the bundle every foot or so to hold them together as you remove them and tie a label on each end to help reassemble them. I agree with timvw no heat on springs ever. |
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timvw7476 Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2013 Posts: 2497 Location: seattle
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:35 am Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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cmonSTART wrote: |
Has anyone tried to tack weld the leaves back together on one end before removing them? That was one of those hindsight thoughts I had when I did my beam - might have made reassembly easier rather than trying to feed the leaves through one at a time. |
The torch MIGHT screw the heat treatment of the leaves.
Then more breakage would follow. |
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hazaa Samba Member
Joined: October 23, 2016 Posts: 44
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:29 am Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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Manfred58sc wrote: |
That beam is repairable, its not rusted through in critical areas. clean,weld,re-use |
oki will try to do that, maybe have some nice post here where some one had restore the beam?? |
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cmonSTART Samba Member

Joined: July 15, 2014 Posts: 1915 Location: NH
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:47 am Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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Has anyone tried to tack weld the leaves back together on one end before removing them? That was one of those hindsight thoughts I had when I did my beam - might have made reassembly easier rather than trying to feed the leaves through one at a time. _________________ '78 Bus 2.0FI
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Manfred58sc Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 9:44 pm Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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That beam is repairable, its not rusted through in critical areas. clean,weld,re-use _________________ Fat chick owner/operator |
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busdaddy Samba Member

Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 52917 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:44 pm Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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Agreed, the critical thing is are the replacement leaves oriented in the same way they were in the donor beam?, you may be better off buying a whole stack, the wear patterns on the ends may indicate how they were oriented.
As for not being heavy, stripping it first does help, but even bare if you were laying under it when it suddenly broke free and caught it with your lip you'll still say it was really heavy (or after that you may say "Iww wwwass wweeeaawwy hewwwyy"), better safe than sorry  _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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SGKent  Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 42787 Location: at the beach
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:15 pm Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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hazaa wrote: |
SGKent wrote: |
it wasn't heavy because you took everything out of it. Be sure to mark every part if you plan to use them again because they must go back the same way. The leaves will break if installed upside down after so many years of twist in the other direction. |
yes iam doing that all, how do you remove leaves and if few of them are broken, can i change only few or better to change them all? |
the leaves are held in the center with a grub screw. If you can find a full pack of them that are not broken and were marked coming out use those - otherwise someone may have individuals they marked. It is common for the weld on the end holding them together to be broken. That is normal and not a problem. It is only individual leaves broken into pieces that are a problem, _________________ George Carlin:
"Most people don't know what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it."
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alman72 Samba Member
Joined: October 09, 2014 Posts: 2576 Location: MICHIGAN
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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I seem to recall worse beams patched and repaired in a thread somewhere. clean it up well and look for all the cancer before giving up. amIright folks? |
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hazaa Samba Member
Joined: October 23, 2016 Posts: 44
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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SGKent wrote: |
it wasn't heavy because you took everything out of it. Be sure to mark every part if you plan to use them again because they must go back the same way. The leaves will break if installed upside down after so many years of twist in the other direction. |
yes iam doing that all, how do you remove leaves and if few of them are broken, can i change only few or better to change them all? |
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SGKent  Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:03 am Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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it wasn't heavy because you took everything out of it. Be sure to mark every part if you plan to use them again because they must go back the same way. The leaves will break if installed upside down after so many years of twist in the other direction. _________________ George Carlin:
"Most people don't know what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it."
Skills@EuroCarsPlus:
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kooper271 Samba Member
Joined: March 22, 2016 Posts: 337 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:42 am Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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Good work and I'm glad you are safe. The ATF and acetone mix really works great. |
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hazaa Samba Member
Joined: October 23, 2016 Posts: 44
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:36 am Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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juhuuuuu its f*** done
the rear came off all in one, and i couldnt get it in 2 pcs.
than was time for front
did all how you sad and took of all brakes, than took out top torsion
but in one side 2 slides where broken
few hits and it came off after mixing it in ATF and acetone
i would say that some info is not correct, because every one told me that front beam is very heavy, i took it out and it wasnt so heavy, you can easily ceary it in your garage alone, even from bottom you can take it out, so dont be scared only use lot of mixture to get the rust off the beam when you try to take it out.
after close inspection looks like this beam will not be usable but will need to look for new one
maybe some one in UK or germany have it for sale in here??
also wanted to ask how good is to zinc the suspension parts?? because we have very bad winters in Latvia and i think if i will just powder coat it that will come of in some time. |
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lil-jinx Samba Member
Joined: August 14, 2013 Posts: 1653 Location: New Brunswick,Canada
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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Put 1 bolt back in on each side,leave them loose,then tap on the mounts hitting all around were it contacts the frame,hitting it inward toward the frame all around where the bolt holes are,go easy you just want to rattle it loose to break away the rust,you will hear it when it starts to loosen,do this to both sides.when it breaks loose put a jack or 2 under it and remove the bolts,then lower it down a little,then you can use a lever under the frame and over the rotor to pry it down,it needs to come straight down,if it drops more on 1 side then the other it will hangup [unless you're under it,then it will drop hard and crush your scull].
good luck play safe. _________________ https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=620186
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Manfred58sc Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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Keep at it! and keep asking questions/posting pictures. We all improve our skills by doing the work. Some old tires under the beam will "catch" it when it drops. _________________ Fat chick owner/operator |
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