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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2025 10:24 am    Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence Reply with quote

sinclair wrote:
That looks great! I think gloss is the correct choice too.
I like the Red9 and IRS with wing nut seats Very Happy


No worries the seats will also receive a secondary mounting Very Happy

Also upgraded the IRS a little, now I can adjust the ridehight on four corners easily without dismantling and adjust the springplate, reinstall and hope it is good.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2025 8:40 am    Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence Reply with quote

That looks great! I think gloss is the correct choice too.
I like the Red9 and IRS with wing nut seats Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2025 10:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence Reply with quote

After some testsprays and multiple different clearcoats from high gloss to semi to matt I have decided the car will get a high gloss clearcoat. This for practical reasons, it is not going to be a museum car but a driver. So a scratch left and right is more then likely to occur. Getting this repaired is just way easier.

Besides this: the misses has a very strong preference for high gloss. Very Happy

we have 2 coats of green and 2 coats of sealer on, first time in the sun, love it!
The color seems to change depending on the sunlight. Can't wait to receive it back and start assembly. Upon return and after wiring loom install it will be transported on the dolly to upholstry-shop for the ragtop install.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2025 12:07 am    Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence Reply with quote

Small update,

The chassis is blasted and painted. Red9 subframe is powdercoated.
Made a go-kart, next is to mount the engine and exhaust and then testfit the body one last time. We have replaced rear apron so need to make sure the exhaust has enough room.


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To be continued.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2025 1:03 am    Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence Reply with quote

MARKAPTER wrote:
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I think that the handle you have in the photos will not fit on a beetle rear deck lid.
It appears to be a handle from a Gogomobile and as such the shaft is too short for the beetle deck lid. I know this because of research I did before finally locating a correct locking L handle for my Beetle.


Did you write down your research measurement results by any chance?

I have received the L handle back from the de-chromer, and compared it to a T grip.

The thick shaft is exactly the same.
The slightly thinner shaft is the same
The thread is 1.5 -2mm shorter

looks pretty close to me, although not 100% the same........


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2025 10:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence Reply with quote

Since my body is at the paintshop I was just cleaning up my tagplate.
Knowing my car is a 11E but the tagplate I have is showing 10/12E with the correct year and chassisnumber. I have seen a topic without replies regarding 10/12E BAoR chassis. Is there an explanation or documentation available on the use of type 10/12E on the tagplate? (And why it is called 11E for example on the birth certificate)


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2025 6:08 am    Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence Reply with quote

sinclair wrote:
Yes, my mistake. It’s deep bronze green, not middle bronze green. Same as the early landrovers.


thanks, so at least we have a recipe for the paint available.

slowly the mystery is unraveled Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2025 1:48 am    Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence Reply with quote

Yes, my mistake. It’s deep bronze green, not middle bronze green. Same as the early landrovers.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2025 11:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence Reply with quote

As mentioned in previous post:
Basically I had the 2 B columns in hand and 2 rear side windows cutouts.
All of these had a bronze outside paint and some dark green inside paint.

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Based on some info gathered in other posts it seems the inside colour is the original color to the car. Below we have done 3 tests, the left two drops in matt are taken from the paint with a paintcomputer.

The right glossy drop is LRC0001, LandRover Deep Bronze Green.
(I have read somewhere that this color is used on CCG beetles)
Ofcourse this example is too glossy but the color quite matches the original.

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Any thoughts?
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2025 6:02 am    Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence Reply with quote

MARKAPTER wrote:
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I think that the handle you have in the photos will not fit on a beetle rear deck lid.
It appears to be a handle from a Gogomobile and as such the shaft is too short for the beetle deck lid. I know this because of research I did before finally locating a correct locking L handle for my Beetle.


thanks for your valuable feedback, I didn't even think it would not be an actual VW item which came out of my parts-stash..... I will see if I can scavenge a T grip and see what the actual differences are and if I can resolve them........
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2025 4:26 am    Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence Reply with quote

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I think that the handle you have in the photos will not fit on a beetle rear deck lid.
It appears to be a handle from a Gogomobile and as such the shaft is too short for the beetle deck lid. I know this because of research I did before finally locating a correct locking L handle for my Beetle.
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2025 5:28 am    Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence Reply with quote

now that the car is at the painter I am slowly gathering all the small hardware which needs to be de-chromed. In it's past ofcourse chrome was added for a richer look to the car.

That is how it was done in the 80ties, let the standard look as a deluxe.

I have the L grip which is correct for my car, according to the tag it almost looks as a part that was removed or bought by the PO to replace the T shaped lock.

Only issue I have: I don't have a key for it. Is there away (without cutting the lock in 2) to determine which key I would need? Anyone?


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:edit: I have a HUFF key with the correct profile, but doesn't belong to this lock.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2025 2:39 am    Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence Reply with quote

Car is at the painters at this moment.
Due to the fact this was a running project which halted in 1986 when I bought it in 2016 there were not that many parts left with OG paint on it.

Basically I had the 2 B columns in hand and 2 rear side windows cutouts.
All of these had a bronze outside paint and some dark green inside paint.
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Next to this I only had a color picture of the car looking bronze in 1976
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I have received a picture of a hoodstand in original color from a fellow CCG zwitter owner which look like the inside color of my panels. So it seems the previous owner has sprayed the outside of the car somewhere between 1968 (when he bought it) and 1976. Sound logical since it was already 16yrs old when he bought it, and the bronze looks somewhat a more modern military color.

So we try to match the paint as close as it can get to the remaining paint on the panels which seem to be in OG paint. To be continued.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2025 9:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence Reply with quote

This will be an amazing car! Thank You for sharing this rebuild! I would love to drive a car like this daily.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2025 3:44 am    Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence Reply with quote

thanks for your feedback, only thing I am sure of is that it is in my garage at this moment Very Happy

sinclair wrote:
From another topic 17VB may have been a typo in the cert. they're often wrong.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 2:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence Reply with quote

From another topic 17VB may have been a typo in the cert. they're often wrong.


finster wrote:
this could be the answer, from a baor website.

"The first Park to arrive in the Hamburg area was 171 Vehicle Park under Major R.G. West, with their stock of heavy AFVs which were parked on the Autobahn, commencing at the Hamburg entrance, some 8 miles in the direction of Lübeck.The next Park to arrive was 172 Veh Park under Major W.L. Porter (later taken over by Major F.T. Wellfare), the main ‘B’ Veh Park of the Company and future main issuing Depot in BAOR. This Park took up a further stretch of the Lübeck Autobahn, from the 171 Veh Park exit as far as Bad Oldesloe."

so just off the autobahn midway between hamburg - lubeck about 170km north of wolfsburg
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:51 am    Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence Reply with quote

Finally some major steps are taken and tasks completed. Progress, I love it Very Happy

All new sheetmetal has been welded in place
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and chassis bolted in place for transport back home.

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have some minor adjustments to do to match the holes in the floorpans to the body and then the body can move to paintshop.

In parallel the plan for the engine has been completed.
The 2.0 type type4 GA engine has been torn down, and will be upgraded to 2366cc using 103mm cylinders / pistons. 44IDF webers and a CSP python exhaust.
Parts are ordered and preparation of the carter is ongoing.

The IRS gearbox, that needs to be able to withstand whatever the 2366cc will throw at it, consists of a new reinforced gearboxhousing and reinforced side covers with a weddle super diff.

To be continued Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 6:58 am    Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence Reply with quote

A change of direction. But I'm still just as interested to see how it turns out Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 6:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence Reply with quote

I like it and probably you will never go back to stock 😆
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 6:28 am    Post subject: Re: Zwitter (standard) with ragtop sunroof, project by coincidence Reply with quote

purist avert your eyes. Shocked Shocked

Due to some personal reasons, and the fact that there is only so much time in a day, days in a week, months in a year, years in a lifetime
I had to drastically reduce the number of (project) cars I owned.

Having said this, I sold all "just because I can" projects which were in the end causing too much noise on the line for this zwitter project.
Since this car is "the ultimate one" for me.

So basically, I will focus only on this project and of course keep my drivers in good shape. Due to the fact it will end up more or less a daily driver for as long as we can keep driving our beloved oldtimers, the plan is slightly changed.

Yes I have the matching numbers gearbox, frontaxle and engine, but these will not end up in the car (but will keep them aside)

So will upgrade to
- dual wishbones in the front with ventilated CSP discbrakes
- IRS and matching gearbox and CSP discbrakes in the back
- type4 2.0 with upright conversion
- convertible louvred engine lid
- flat4 BRM's

The body will only have 1 change and that is the sidetrays in the engine boot since the type4 will take some more room then a 25HP and the chassis will receive IRS brackets.
But if I get the urge to go back stock all the rest is just bolted on stuff.

The mockup is ready for testfitting the body, just to make sure no changes are to be made lateron when body is painted. If all fits then all items will be disassembled, where needed sandblasted and painted.

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